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Which digital recorder to buy?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by rem, Aug 26, 2004.

  1. rem

    rem Guest

    Howdy,

    This is my first post ever, so please forgive any unintentional tramplings on etiquette.

    I'm trying to decide which digital recorder to buy. I have a few general criteria:

    1. The capability of producing pro-studio quality masters. (Whether or not my skills develop to that point is still to be determined.)

    2. The ability to take what I've recorded to a pro studio for them to import, re-mix and master.

    3. Twenty-four tracks minimum.

    4. Lots of input/output choices

    5. Easy interfacing with a PC.

    6. As self-contained as possible, so the necessity for other devices, plug-ins, etc., would be as minimal as possible. (Ssuggestions about any other necessary devices would also be much appreciated.)

    I've narrowed it down to the following three models:
    Roland VS-2480cd
    Akai DPS24
    Korg D32XD

    They all look great in the brochures, so I'd sure appreciate any insight , comments, suggestions, etc. as to which one to buy. And by all means please let me know if there's a different model I should be considering instead.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    well you need a computer for the akai -i dont think the korg has as many feature as the roland
    the roland does not have all the inserts that a mixer has but you have onboard effects
     
  3. kinetic

    kinetic Guest

    I suspect this purchase is one that your have been dreaming about and looking forward to for some time. However my suggestion is not to buy any of them. A DAW (a computer with software for recording audio) will offer a much better option in the long run, so far as what you can do with it etc etc. The problem with most digital recorders is that their audio interface is less than ideal, (eg insufficent headroom etc etc), and believe me (I've seen it many a time) you will outgrow a recorder quicker than you can imagine. If portability is important to you get a laptop.
     
  4. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    I agree with Kinetic. I dropped 2K+ on a Roland vs880 when they first came out and really the quality wasn't that good. Get a computer, learn a DAw progran and that will grow with you the rest of your recording life.
     
  5. trock

    trock Active Member

    Well

    I have the VS2480 and have had it about a year and a half. I still really like it and my end products so far are better than my other set up

    MAC G5
    Cubase SX 2
    Reason 2.5
    TRACKS 24
    PEAK 4.1
    Groove agent
    Soundtrack
    UAD-1 Studio card

    I only list these because this is what i have sunk into my DAW set up.

    Now to be fair I am VERY new to this second set up and am hoping to get better results

    But in terms of ease of use, portability (if that matters) and overall sound quality (so far) the 2480 has been superb and i really mean that

    I can MIDI it to to cubase and control that if i want to use it in both instances

    I had an 880 and it really isn't fair to compare that to a 2480, i also had an 1880 and the 2480 blows that away too

    I was up and running on the roland WAY sooner than this second setup but only because i have so much different stuff to learn and integrate

    Again just my opinon on this

    Heck i might sell the 2480 to you if you want :lol:
     
  6. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    well i've got the 2480 glad to hear your story Trock.
     
  7. trock

    trock Active Member

    Hey mike

    Yes I love the 2480, i have 4 V8SF-2 cards and since i got the DAW set up I can't put money into the -3's

    the 2480 has been a great friend and I would recommend it to anyone, anytime period

    I do agree that the small interface is bothersome, however with en external monitor it is fine for me

    it DEF does not have the editing EASE of use the computer will give you , but for me it is the dns product sound that matters most

    so far it is the 2480 hands down
     
  8. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    are you using outboard preamps?on the 2480 what sample rate are you recording at.I now record at 48k i like it a little better that way
     
  9. trock

    trock Active Member

    I only use the onboard phantom power

    and I am still at 44.1/16

    I have sort of moved onto the DAW stuff in terms of my time so i can learn it and feel good about all the money i spent

    But if things don't get better in the near future i might be back to the 2480 full time

    I really think the effects on the cards, especially reverb sound better even than the UAD-1 studio card i bought for the MAC and Cubase

    kind of depressing
     
  10. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    alot of guys use the computer along with the 2480.Do you checkout the Vs planet website?
     
  11. trock

    trock Active Member

    yes i have been on that forum before, good site

    I have set up the 2480 to MIDI sync to the G5 and cubase and used it as a controller for cubase

    i like having real faders to use, that REALLY helps me mix

    however i am not good enough yet to really map it effectively

    I would really like it to work like a pro tools set up where the controller controls everything in the DAW

    I am not sure it will even do that yet though
     
  12. heyman

    heyman Guest

    "1. The capability of producing pro-studio quality masters. (Whether or not my skills develop to that point is still to be determined.)

    2. The ability to take what I've recorded to a pro studio for them to import, re-mix and master.

    3. Twenty-four tracks minimum.

    4. Lots of input/output choices

    5. Easy interfacing with a PC. "

    Sorry, but I would spend the extra money and go with a RADAR 24 Unit .

    http://www.izcorp.com


    They have better converters hands down than any of the machines that were mentioned.
     
  13. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    I would add Digital Performer or logic to this set up. I have DP and works great for me. There is no comparison working with a DAW or a machine with a little tiny screen... I haven't heard the roland 2480 but I used to have the vs880 and my friend had the 1680 and the sound was squashed and nothing to brag about. But hey, whatever works for you works- more power to ya! :cool:

    Peace and happy traxs :D :D
     
  14. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    I think now the 2480 can hook to pro tools also .The radar system dosent come with an automated 64 channel mixer i dont think
     
  15. rem

    rem Guest

    Thanks for the input everyone. Does anyone have any experience with the Korg D32XD or the Akai DPS24? The specs on both rival or exceed the Roland VS-2480... at least what I've read... yet the price of both is a bit lower.

    Street prices I've seen recently:
    Roland VS-2480: $3,800 - $4000
    Korg D32XD: $3,000
    Akai DPS24: $3,000

    Average ratings from the user reviews in Musicians Friend:
    Roland VS-2480cd: 8.59 (32 reviews)
    Akai DPS24: 9.73 (22 reviews)
    Korg D32xd: 9.12 (17 reveiws)

    Anyone know how the quality of the components and features compare of these three units?

    I must confess, the Korg, with its 32 tracks, analog compression on 8 tracks, lots on onboard effects, 4-band parametric on all channels, etc, holds some fascination for me, simply because it seems like you get more stuff for the money.
     
  16. rem

    rem Guest

    Thanks for the input everyone. Does anyone have any experience with the Korg D32XD or the Akai DPS24? The specs on both rival or exceed the Roland VS-2480... at least what I've read... yet the price of both is a bit lower.

    Street prices I've seen recently:
    Roland VS-2480: $3,800 - $4000
    Korg D32XD: $3,000
    Akai DPS24: $3,000

    Average ratings from the user reviews in Musicians Friend:
    Roland VS-2480cd: 8.59 (32 reviews)
    Akai DPS24: 9.73 (22 reviews)
    Korg D32xd: 9.12 (17 reveiws)

    Anyone know how the quality of the components and features compare of these three units?

    I must confess, the Korg, with its 32 tracks, analog compression on 8 tracks, lots on onboard effects, 4-band parametric on all channels, etc, holds some fascination for me, simply because it seems like you get more stuff for the money.
     
  17. trock

    trock Active Member

    Hi Maintiger

    Good to have your input on the Roland stuff, I wasn't very happy with the 880 and 1880 was ok. When i saw the 2480 and saw what the upgrades to it were i decided to go with it cause i was comfortable with the product already

    Then of course soon after that i really started reading about a DAW set up, then got excited about that dropped a BUNCH of bucks on that set up.

    which is where i am now, excited but swamped with manuals and connections and a MAC FOR GOD'S SAKE! HAHA

    I was always a PC guy so this whole new set up has been one HUMUNGOUS learning curve, especially conpared to the 2480 all in one

    Thanks for the advice, i will look into the other things you mentioned

    However I am trying to navigate numerous cubase crashes this morning and am pulling my hair out

    I feel i should have gone with Logic.

    Oh well live and learn and KEEP JAMMIN
     
  18. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    man for that kind of money don't do it!

    those workstations will be obsolete in 2 years max!

    go for a computer based recording!
    if you need 24 inputs buy a tascam dm-24 with the firewire card for having 24 recording channels to your computer!

    or try the motu stuff or rme!

    those workstations are powerfull for now... but in 2 years computer stuff is easy to upgrade... that workstation only with software and even so...

    if you like the knobs to how about a motu 828mkII or the rme fireface with a good 8 channel mic pre adat and the new tascam control surface 2400!
    there are so many options!
     
  19. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    with the 2480 you get automix- compressors and eq on all channels
    VGA hookup out of the box
    the akai needs to be hooked to a computer to get vga hookup
    akai has 12 faders roland 16 faders
     
  20. mcguin

    mcguin Guest

    well here goes - I have an IZ RADAR classic, a Roland 2480 and ProTools on a G4 Titanium - for a recording setup - NOTHING repeat NOTHING comes close to the RADAR - from the converters to the absolutely rock solid o/s (it just plain does not crash!) - however it is not an editing system or a mixing system - We do all tracking on the RADAR and most edits, however more complicated edits are moved to ProTools for editing and then back to the RADAR - we mix from the RADAR on an 02R96.

    Having said that -

    Personally I would not consider recording to a computer based system. From your list of options I would go with the Roland now that they have sorted out the o/s and preamp problems – great all in one box and for the price unbeatable (i just bought one with 1 fx card for under $1600).

    Dan
     

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