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Which do I need more?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Guitarfreak, Mar 13, 2009.

  1. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    SM58 or SM57? I play guitar and sing.

    I have an Audix i5. Which in a technical sense do I need more? i.e. if the i5 does a worse job at one or the other, I'd need the complement mic.

    I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, but I'd like to get some pearls of wisdom along with my purchase. :D

    Thanks in Advance
    -Guitarfreak
     
  2. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    what do you plan to record buddy? Guitar, guitar cab, vocals.....give us a hint.
     
  3. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Well I did say guitar and voice, but I'll elaborate. A Marshall AVT50 amp, and me (I have a pretty weak voice cause I'm not trained, but that's irrelevant) I don't have an acoustic yet, but I may look into it. GAHH THE ADDICTION IS SPREADING!!!
     
  4. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    You are assuming people are keeping up with your threads. OK, now we know what you plan to record. Now we need to know what you intend to spend. What kind of voice do you have is it really low and deep, or are you waiting for 'em to drop? What kind of interface are you using? Any pre's we should know about? Where would these vocals, and amp be recorded? The more we know about you, a better recommendation you will get, I promise.
     
  5. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Well no I wouldn't expect one to remember from thread to thread what I do, which is why I mentioned it in the first post. Anyway, my voice? idk, check out my cover of imagine in the link. I am using a PreSonus Firebox and it's my only outboard unit as of yet. They will be recorded in my bedroom, which isn't sonically perfect, but it's not bad compared to some other places I've recorded.

    http://www.myspace.com/chrysalisct
     
  6. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    How you liking that firebox? Condenser mics typically are less forgiving in untreated rooms. What you need sir is a fantastic dynamic. EV RE20, Sennheiser MD421 either of those will rock your socks off. If you wanna really cheap great guitar cab mic.... Sennheiser e609. I have found some really great deals on ebay for these with some free gifts. The deals I found for the AT3035, AT2035, and AT2050 we amazing. I have never used the AT2050, but getting the patterns that mic has for under $200 is a great find. The AT's listed are condensers, and I love the 35 for the price.
     
  7. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    To the original question: A 57 and a 58 use the same capsule. Because of the different pop filter, the pattern (and to a lesser degree the frequency response) is slightly different. You can make a 57 closer to a 58 by putting on one of those cheap foam pop filters. You can make a 58 closer to a 57 by taking off the ball (but this exposes the capsule to damage). I'd favor the 57 over the 58, but if you found a deal on a 58 I wouldn't hesitate.
     
  8. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    I have done the 57 with the cheap foam filter, and the results are surprisingly good.

    Dollar for dollar, I would say that was the best purchase I have ever made. Very versatile.
     
  9. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    So, all things held equal, the SM57 is more urgent over the 58? I also liked the Senn e609, but a dedicated cab mic is not in my budget right now. I'll keep it on the back burner and get a more versatile mic for now.
     
  10. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    You are doing 2 things, singing, and recording electric guitar. You have a utility mic (I5), but isn't quite as strong for VOX in most cases as it is for cabs. Get yourself a good vocal mic. The reason I mentioned the e609 was the deal. $109 shipped plus an audix cabgrabber ($50), and a 20' XLR cable($15). You get a sweet mic plus the extras. I for one love me some extra's. If you can spring for either the RE20 or MD421, you will have these mics for as long as you are recording. They are reliable, and will take your recordings to the next level. The 57-58 are classics. You should have at least one of each.

    We are fueling the fire!!!!!!!!!
    Welcome to the world of recording young Jedi.
    I remember when I first got GAS.
     
  11. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    See that's the response I expected from the get go. "Get a vocal mic" But now with an argument for both sides I don't know where to go. Both are good mics and I plan on owning both of them, but the question remains, which first?
     
  12. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Take a ride to Orange, CT and the Evil Empire located on the Post Rd. Try them (the mics I mean)!!!

    Do not let us choose how to spend your money, not unless you use my mailing address for shipping. Any of these are good choices depending on YOUR preferences.
     
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    You dont have a good vocal mic. Of the two, the 58 is better suited to vocals. Even though I do not hesitate to sing through any of my 57's, the 58 lends itself to an easier time of 'working' the mic. The pop filter and screen keeps you the proper distance from the capsule and the 58's have a bit bigger proximity effect than a 57.

    You already own an instrument mic. Buy a mic that has a purpose as a vocal mic. BTW. The 58 will sound great on a cabinet also.
     
  14. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Lol, why does everyone on this forum hate "that place"
     
  15. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Just the fact that the sales people for the most part are not very knowledgable, they push budget gear frquently because their margin is higher, and I did not want to plug any particular supplier.
    I don't hate them I bought two guitars from them last year. I won't buy guitars by mail, gotta actually play them because they vary even the same model. Usually I can save 6% sales tax and sometimes more mail order. Two years ago I spent close to 10k and saving 10% is like getting a free guitar.
     
  16. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    ACTUALLY! I just found out Music123 was having a sale this weekend. So I got both and an XLR cable for under 200. WOO!

    Thanks for all the help including the other mic recommendations, I wrote them down for future reference.
     
  17. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    You will find both to be of great use. You have an excellent base to build from. An I5, 57-58 should give you many possibilities. Now do you beef up your dynamics closet, or go condenser? Do you save for a pre, or get some room treatment? Do you buy outboard tools, or get some fancy software? It really gets fun making your own audio soup...what ingredient to the mix is really going to compliment the current setup....yummy!
     
  18. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    Ohh by the way guitar freak....did you check your PM's?
     
  19. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Yes I did check my PM's, thanks for the link. That deal on the MD421 seemed really good, but it was only a starting bid, so it would probably go up to near retail anyway. I have a few things in mind for next purchases...sheesh the addiction never ends does it?

    ST55 Condenser
    KRK RP5 or RP6
    Shockmount (For Condenser)
    Outboard Compressor (IDK Which)
    The Brick Mic Preamp

    Just to name a few...
     
  20. NCdan

    NCdan Guest

    +1. This really is a great mic for recording guitar.
     

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