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why do these drums sound like crap Part 2

Discussion in 'Drums' started by tonybran, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. tonybran

    tonybran Guest

    ok update....i lowered the OH's closed to the set, tuned down the kick, put the sm57 under the snare til i get another one to go on top and bottom.....

    also, added compression, EQ, some limiting and slight reverb...

    tell me what you think..any improvement from the clip from the other day...anything sound really good/bad?

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    the original one from the other day:

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  2. MilesAway

    MilesAway Guest

    dead links...
     
  3. tonybran

    tonybran Guest

    k, FIXED the links already
     
  4. kelly644

    kelly644 Guest

    It's hard to tell how it directly compares to the original without the effects on...

    The biggest problem (To my inexperienced ears) with the original was the kick... It does have a nicer body now, but it's ringing too long and has a softer attack. I kinda like it, but it sounds like a tom now. Try tuning it it up somewhat or adding padding/tape. If you dont want to lose the low end thump, then try some tape/padding and add an SM-57 or something and roll off it's lows and try to mix in some of it's click.

    The snare, while rounder sounding, has lost a lot of it's mid to top end crackle. Either reposition the mic or add some EQ to bring out the Fizz.

    I like what you did to the snare with the compressor.

    The newer clip is warmer and much older/darker sounding (Which I like a lot), but there's still some odds and ends there.
     
  5. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    I like the snare. I do not like the hi hat. New clip is better.

    (is that a haiku?.. i think it is...sweet)
     
  6. tonybran

    tonybran Guest

    haha....Stickers, any ideas on what i can do for the hats
     
  7. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    A definite improvement. The Snare is much better on the new one. I like it. I think the kick would be pretty close to OK if there weren't so much reverb or whatever on it. I find it hard to believe that it is even close-miked. I think you got your overheads in a spot where the high hat is getting phasey pretty bad. Very easy to accidentally do. Only thing I can say is to move the overheads around a little until it sounds better. Hard to say without seeing and feeling the setup.
     
  8. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    OK. Obviously, this is not that tight steely Dan sound. The mix is adequate but the bass drum sounds rather thin, try some equalization there. You have some workable room ambience. The hat is sounding rather severe but fine if that's what you like, kind of reminds me of a trash can sound. I like trash cans if they are not filled with a lot of garbage. I hope you didn't pay this percussionist a lot of money (he needs some better drums and cymbals)? Maybe next time you want to start with just the bass drum, then start bringing up your overhead, then add your snare and toms for articulation. Try taking out some mid range from your bass drum. Take out some midrange on your hat. Hope this helps?
     
  9. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Actually the original drums sound better, sounds more like a real kit in a real room. They aint perfect but the new drums sound lifeless. Like a drum machine. just my .02
     
  10. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Hit Hi hat like glass. Drums are hit like they are steel. Move overhead mic.


    Stickers- haiku master!!
     
  11. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Solo snare drum track. Hi Hat leakage could be bad. Perhaps this will help.

    Stickers-Haiku master!!
     
  12. tonybran

    tonybran Guest

    Haiku Master- anyway tips to limit leakage of hi-hats into snare mic? or is all based on trying out mic placement?
     
  13. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Snare mic on the top. Hi Hats behind, snare mic left. Raise the hi hat up.

    Stickers-haiku master!!
     
  14. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:




    (for starters download Floorfish - Digital Fish Phones)
     
  15. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    I like the old one better...even though I said that it sounded like the snare wasn't mic'd. The phase on the HH is pretty bad and that kick sounds like a 808 booming! :) I like the snare's tone but it's missing the snap. I think if I were to mix either of these tracks, I would be able to do more with the first to get it to sound good.

    I know you put the second one through some gear, compressors and the like, to try and get a better sound but you really need to start with the best sound possible. It would probably better to have us listen to everything raw.

    If you are gonna go through this step by step, I suggest first trying for the best raw sound. Work on mic positioning or changing them around.

    Do exactly what you are doing with each new mic positioning. Record a few bars and play them back. Then move the mics and try again. It's a lot of work but it's the best way to figure it out and when done, you'll know quite a bit.
     
  16. tonybran

    tonybran Guest

    thanks again everyone for the overwhelming response...ill get back to work with the advice everyone has given, and eventually post a part 3 to the topic with a new, hopefully better drum sound..thanks again guys..later
     
  17. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    ok no more haiku.

    are you or the drummer hitting each drum individually and then recording each drum and then listening back and making adjustments and then recording the drum again and the listening back. thats what i do.

    i should post an example of before and after what mic placement can do.
     
  18. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    As I said I would...

    Each Sample has nothing done to them (no eq compression or verb)

    Drum Sample A is after I made adjustments. Hung a bunch of blankets from the rafters of the basement. Tuned the kit a bit. Worked on placement on each drum and overheads.


    Drum Sample B is the before. Please excuse the tempo difference not sure why they played it slower after I made adujustments.

    Drum Sample A links removed
    Drum Sample B =========
     
  19. stickers

    stickers Active Member

  20. tonybran

    tonybran Guest

    thats great stickers, i appreciate that.... it gives me a clear image of how much better my drums can sound once i take care of that stuff....cause right now, i'm sounding a lot like that Sample B,...actually Sample B makes mine sound like $*^t...i think that even might solve my hi-hat problem as well....cause in Sample B, they sound a lot like mine do, 'washy' and messy, but sample A, they sound a lot cleaner and crisper....


    so i got some work ahead of me, ..tuning, hanging moving blankets around, mic placement.....i aint stopping til i get a good sound :D

    thanks again
     

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