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why use a control surface?

Discussion in 'Consoles / Control Surfaces' started by mgavazzeni, Dec 20, 2004.

  1. mgavazzeni

    mgavazzeni Guest

    Why use a control surface when you can use the controls inside the rec software? is there anything different?
    May be it's a stupid question!
     
  2. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Some people do not like being glued to a mouse and there are many reasons for this including speed, ergonomics, limitations of only having access to one parameter at a time, lack of presision... the list goes on. Generally, they facilitate easier and more pleasant control of your recording software.
     
  3. johnwy

    johnwy Well-Known Member

    Well, those of us who grew up on those big honkin' consoles (like Neve, SSL, API, etc) we love to have at our finger tips faders to push, knobs to spin, buttons to break, lights to burn out, modules to burst into flames (depending on the console).... :cool:

    but seriously, what david just stated pretty much sums it up
     
  4. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    I used to have a mackie control in my old commercial studio but when I sold it and put together my home studio I didn't replace the mackie- just not that high in the priiority list for me- what it does it gets done anyway without it. I really don't miss it much/
     
  5. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Strickly a personal choice.
    For me, a control surface slows me waaay down.

    Chris
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I used to own a large format console ... I miss the sound of it but that's all. I usually mix one element at a time anyhow and with automation, I see no need for multiple faders.

    I think the popularity of control surfaces is attributable to that many people are used to seeing a surface with a lot of controls on it in a studio ... the "ohhh factor" of it .... not the connivance it affords. This is reinforced by the ads I see for Argosy consoles and the like, ... you know those big expensive desks they make to house cheesy little mixers, so they look like an old Neve?
     
  7. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Two operators on a desk can do two movements each in one pass .... at least.

    Mouse only, is one operation at a time.

    It's all about personal choice.

    Control surfaces will need to standardise parts of there operation and methods of display and programming. The guys at MidiBox seem to have better ideas than the pro-manufacturers. This could all end up being just like the GM GS GX wars of Roland and Yamaha for midi sound sets....
    A shame as it only ends up confusing the customers.

    A control surface should NOT need an instruction book to accomplish the simple tasks.
     
  8. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    the only thing i ever really wanted out of a control surface is transport controles. none of the control sufaces out there offer only this and im not gointo dish out 1k plus to acoblish this litle task. so if any one out there works for korg dev or even berhringer, is listening build a simple inexpencive unit that works for trancport and only transport LCD counter would be nice to, MUST HAVE A JOG WEEL and feel solid with spring loaded buttons lights and no faders. for under 200. thats perfactly pheasable.
     
  9. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Hey frob, check this out. It was at AES and it migh be just what you're looking for.
     
  10. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    That's exactly what I have wanted also.

    Thanks David, It looks perfect (it's wireless even)! rememeber the problem I had hitting record from the other side of the room :lol:
     
  11. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I remember. Looks like it's coming out soon too.
     
  12. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Frob,
    Just about all DAW programs allow the user to assign keys on the keyboard for specific functions. Check it out.

    I use the <- & -> arrows for fast forward and rewind, the down arrow for stop and the 0 for play and the enter key (on the keypad) and space bar both for record on my DAW ... it works great!
     
  13. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    that looks like what ive been talking about. and kurk i know that but the jog is somthing i need and use a lot
     
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I can scroll forward or backward in play by pressing the ffwd(->) or the rew(<-) keys .....
     
  15. sdevino

    sdevino Active Member

    I was a Beta tester for this. ITs a really nice piece and I intend to get one as soon as its released for self recording from the live room.


    Steve
     
  16. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    That does look interesting and if the price is low enough it could be a real problem solver for many people.
     
  17. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    the only thing is it says data wheel not jog i dont know im really wanting a jog i hope they have the for site to make it double. as it is it looks like it is used to scrol through menus.
     
  18. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    who about this old faithful

    http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/

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  19. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    i thought long and hard about that one but i dont like the design. it looks like form over function, only it doese every thing i want it to, just not the way i am used to.
     
  20. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    I suppose it might be possible to relocate the wheel into a new case and then give it new more familiar buttons.

    Big positive action style buttons like those found on old Tape Deck remotes.

    The control surfaces that some of the guys at midibox make are just stunning. One day a manufacturer will get it right.
     

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