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Windows 7

Discussion in 'Computers / Software' started by jg49, Oct 25, 2009.

  1. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Well if you are a PC Win7 has come out this week, I know that several people here have been using the beta version for quite awhile. I have a dual boot system Vista Home and XP Pro using the latter when I am using the DAW. Just a little sceptical of upgrading the recording OS because everything is working great, not sure if there is really an advantage to changing anything. I am certain that dumping Vista on the other side is probably a good thing but is that going to create any conflicts with the dual boot set up?
    Love to hear from some people who have or are making the switch.
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    If it were me, I would dump Vista and do one of two things:
    1) Dual boot Win7/Win7 (for DAW)

    2) Dual boot Win7/XP Pro (for DAW)

    I have chosen so far on three machines to use option 1 with the RC even though I will ultimately have to purchase an RTM version and reinstall. I have had no problems at all with compatibility with a minor tweak to accommodate the FF800 (new driver released last week).
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I just got off the phone with Magix ( Samplitude/ Sequoia) tech. In our conversation one of the discussions was about Windows 7 ver Vista and XP.

    In a nut shell, from their pro line of studio's using their product, whom have migrated from XP or Vista to Windows 7 say, the CPU meter is much lower and overall performing very very good. They think Windows 7 is going to be the one OS that gets attention from guys like us. I'm on Vista and will be upgrading soon enough. (y)
  4. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    That's good to know. I've been avoiding Vista like the plague (my wife has Vista on her laptop and it has done nothing but get under my skin).

    A number of folks in the know that I've talked to have had nothing but good things to say about Win7. Might finally be time to upgrade...
  5. saivenkat

    saivenkat Guest

    love to hear from some people who have or are making the switch.useful suggestion....
  6. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    I ran across this today, and posted it elsewhere. If anyone needs a trick to do a clean install, here it is:

    (I am not advocating piracy. The article, and I, assume you have a legal copy. I am advocating setting up your system the way YOU want it.)

  7. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Guest

    This thread kind of, sort of makes me laugh out loud, and it's not actually funny at all :roll:

    I guess it might be the general and overall ignorance that has people going about buying their hardware in the wrong order that leaves me to believe zero amount of research has been conducted to ascertain:
    -hardware compatibility
    -overall congruency

    I fell under the whole "Vista Sucks" campaign myself....UNTIL:
    I had a professional and reputable DAW building company build my DAW
    using Windows Vista Business 64bit...

    Now, I (quite frankly) don't understand, but just in case I'm off my rocker...I have a free W7 64bit upgrade coupon.

    I have had the lowest latencies ever recorded by myself going Vista.
    No conflicts, no freezes, no crashes, nothing but performance and stability.

    W7 isn't yet optimized for audio, and it comes down to what hardware companies have properly written stable and reliable code/drivers...

    Most hardware companies (low end) rush their products to market without efficiently testing them.

    Personally, I think proper system burn in and testing said system is at the heart of the matter. Acronis makes great software for this purpose. HD failure is also very common and can cause major OS issues if it is corrupted/damaged (more than likely during transit)
  8. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Guest

    I've gotta know, bent.
    What *exactly* gets under your skin?
  9. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    First off the Savenkat post is total spam, he's just trying to get his spammish site address up. maybe a mod should take out his site.

    I am certainly glad that you used a third party to build you a computer system that works but frankly you should not have to if you don't want to. I'm not sure if when you refer to hardware you are strictly speaking about the computer itself or the total package of recording hardware, computer hardware and software. I know that I bought Presonus hardware just after Vista came out and was endlessly assured by both Presonus and the retailer that it was compatible. Nothing could have been further from the truth, there were a great deal of driver issues for which I blame Presonus software programing. However the Vista OS itself used in my mind huge amount of CPU and RAM without providing much in the way of benefits in a DAW enviroment. I am not saying that it wasn't stable just inefficient and in my mind bloated and cumbersome. I was just last week speaking to someone who works for MS and frankly that was his opinion as well, so there it is from the horse's mouth. Before upgrading to Win 7 I was just looking for some feedback, research as you call it, to see if new users had any caveats or complaints.

    Johhny_B "W7 isn't yet optimized for audio,.."

    The MS representative that I spoke with totally disagreed with your statement by the way. He felt that the new OS is going to make recording enthusiasts very happy. Do you think that MS is going to be coming out with an optimized version of Win7 soon?

    J_B "...and it comes down to what hardware companies have properly written stable and reliable code/drivers... "
    On this I do completely agree but some of the driver compatability issue had to do with how difficult the OS was to write drivers for due to the increased security that Vista was trying to provide IMO.
  10. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    "...using Windows Vista Business 64bit... "

    Most of the people that you may read of that are squirming over Vista as an OS and how it incorporates into a recording environment are not using Business 64 bit.
  11. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    I did not have any issues with Vista either. I had even at various points defended it against being vilified since it has improved networking capabilities (with SP1 or SP2) over XP.

    The facts are however that Vista-even optimized-exhibited higher latency values (though respectable enough) than it's predecessor Win XP Pro. Win 7 (and various folks have published optimization spreadsheets already) out of the box has much lower CPU usage etc etc etc.

    The long and short of it is that if one is happy with their current Vista Bus/Ult DAW pc then there is no need to switch to the new Win7. For those who are dissatisfied with certain other aspects of Vista including CPU loading, a switch may or may not make sense.

    If one is still working on XP and wanting to update then skip Vista altogether and move to Win7 Pro or Ultimate. Moving to Home Premium will cause just as many headaches as it did with Vista Home Premium or XP Home Edition.
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    One that that just baffles me, why does Windows have so many editions in one particular release? business, pro ultimate.

    Man, IMHO, that is so lame and poor business. Apple makes one version and gets it right ( most of the time). Their one version works on everyones mac that supports it. plain and simple.

    I'm switching to PC for various reasons but can't understand this. Can someone explain this to me?
  13. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mac isn't as innocent as you paint there Chris...They just market themselves better.
    How many versions of OS X were there? How many products did you see that would say:
    MUST USE OS X.yyy
    Also, their hardware is less adaptable to significant updates and changes. For example, I have an AMD 350MHz machine from nearly 10 years ago. On that system, I've had the following OS's installed:
    Win 98
    Win ME (that was a dark day...)
    Win XP
    Win 2000 Advanced Server (current OS).

    Could you imagine doing that with a Mac from the same era...not going to happen.

    Oh....and with the exception of the occassional reboot due to software updates and OS changes, that machine has been on and running without 1 hiccup, hangup, or freeze since 1999.

    On the other hand, I've used Macs all of my life for various reasons. One thing that makes me laugh is when someone tells me that Macs don't crash! The thing is, Macs do crash, often. And when they do, they do it hard!

    BTW -
    I haven't forgotten your cable Chris. I'm just incredibly back-logged right now. I'll be in touch soon.
  14. ouzo77

    ouzo77 Active Member

    macs do crash. but not nearly as often as windows pc's. (just my experience, based on 13 years of pc-problems and re-installs from windows 3.1 to xp)

    Windows 7 Home Basic
    Windows 7 Home Premium
    Windows 7 Home Premium N
    Windows 7 Professional
    Windows 7 Professional N
    Windows 7 Ultimate
    Windows 7 Ultimate N

    that's ridiculous... which one would i need? probably the most expensive one.

    though i'm sure it's quite a good os, since they took so many ideas from osx! ;-)

    a happy mac-user since 2007.
  15. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    How very true, especially if you use Logic 9 and the latest osx! :lol:

    Well, just wanted to say that software/platform is sorta like clothes, they fit differently.

    Seems to me the whole industry is in a goofy transition stage right now, which of course makes fertile ground for some issues, kind of like gaining an extra 50 lbs. all the sudden. :?

    Got to get into the habit of saving those takes people.
  16. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I don't understand this.
    I've got the following:

    Personal "power laptop" (Win 7 64Bit)
    Personal "junk laptop" (Win XP)
    Work laptop (Win XP)
    recording laptop (Win XP)
    recording power workstation (Win XP)
    recording workstation (Win XP)

    My wife has:

    Power photo machine (Win XP)
    Old Laptop (Win XP)
    New Dell laptop (Win Vista - upgrading to 7 tonight)
    Old E-machines desktop

    Out of all of these machines that are still currently running and in operation daily, I can count the total number of crashes in the past 5 years on 1 hand. If people's PCs are crashing more often, I'd love to know what the hell they're doing on them!

    In fact, I'm harder on my computers than I would assume the average user is since 2 of my machines are essentially hacking (not cracking) machines and many others are "power" machines that are constantly being worked to death!

    I think the notion of "crashes" is:
    1 - overplayed by media
    2 - brought on when someone installs hardware and/or software and has no friggin clue what they're doing. (This is applicable on any platform).

    Just some thoughts-
  17. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    Yes Jeremy,

    Your right on the money. I run mostly Mac but have a PC too. There is nothing wrong with either, its just a question of what you prefer.
  18. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    There originally were six planned editions much like the Vista release. There were numerous techie blogs that berated that idea over the whole Beta period. A quick glance at Best Buy shows only three editions and three additional versions as upgrade only.
  19. ouzo77

    ouzo77 Active Member

    in the microsoft shop they have all seven versions.

    btw, my main issue with windows wasn't crashes, but the slowing down of the machine after a few months (or weeks...).
    I use my computer a lot. i do everything on one computer, whether it's internet, graphics, watching movies, listening to music and recording music.
    on a windows (xp) machine a all-in-one setup would work for a few weeks, before it slows down or crashes.
    on my macbook pro i can do anything without interfering with other programs or tasks.
    i was formatting and reinstalling windows at least 3-4 times a year.
    with my mac i formatted installed the system twice in the last 2 years - the first time when i upgraded to leopard, the second time when i upgraded to snow leopard.
  20. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    The designation of N as near as I can see is the upgrade version and not a full clean install version. I believe N="Anytime Upgrade."

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