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Worst Interface

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Jeremy, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    Maybe we are looking at this thing the wrong way. The view from the top is quite clouded with opinions skewing to the right and left. The view from the bottom up might be more clear. Maybe we should just start a thread of gear that is better suited for toilet paper. Lets start with interfaces either PCI, USB, or firewire. GO!
     
  2. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    30 views and not a single entry?!?!?! C'mon poor converters, poor customer service, poor build quality, poor pre's (if included), and the list continues. Lets talk about bad experiences with interfaces.
     
  3. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    Well, I do like to think of positive things if you must know. Talking about problems is not what I like to do, solutions are much more rewarding.

    I guess there were bad experiences with the current firestudio I use. I run a macbook and if it was not for the presonus forum I would be struggling to understand why the most recent drivers are not working at high sampling rates. I did solve the issue and have had a solid system ever since.

    Its important to understand that there can be problems with drivers and getting them to work with the DAW that you choose. Be sure to visit other forums that deal with your interface/DAW specifically.

    My thanks and gratitude goes out to the people who help others. We can make our digital experiences pleasurable. A positive attitude goes all the farther.
     
  4. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Your thread title is misleading. The title indicates that you have something to say about what is apparently the worst interface. Instead, you don't have anything to say and are asking other people to talk about their bad experiences with audio interfaces. So, the initial interest that brought you the 30 views was lost when the viewers found out that the thread was not about what they thought it would be about.

    I understand what you are after, but just change the bait (thread title) and you may hook the right kind of fish.

    At any rate, when people have problems, they post them here already...asking for help or suggestions or opinions or alternatives.

    Unfortunately, I'm relatively happy with all my audio purchases. Even my B'ringer headphone amp has served me well.
     
  5. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    I had the 8 channel behringer headphone amp...ha8000 was the model I believe. It was terrible. It was VERY noisy.

    This is to weed out products to our newbie's. So we can help to weed out products with the question of...What do you guys think about????????
    It has noting to do with keeping a positive attitude. You can have a positive attitude all day, and still make a bad gear purchase.

    Here is one
    Aardvark Q10
    This is a 10 channel PCI interface. The company has gone out of business, and workable drivers are becoming fewer. Their was a website that hosted all the drivers for this product I dont know if it still exsists.
     
  6. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    I think windows 3.1 had the worst interface ever. Excluding, of course, MS-DOS 3.0

    Music? We don't play no stinkin' music!!!
     
  7. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    Jeremy,
    Your absolutely right about that. Sorry it came off that way. :? :shock:

    I think your example just states it pretty clearly.
    IMO The market already takes care of the worst interfaces, nobody buys them because there are so many good products available for very little money now.

    Buy an interface thats popular, that way you know you've got other people to support you. An interface thats going for a bargain price usually has a reason for being blown out. All the more reason to question why the price is low.

    RO-Keep on rockin in the free world
     
  8. MadMax

    MadMax Well-Known Member

    Pardon the crassness, but this axiom is something that has proven out more times than not.... "Good $*^t ain't cheap, and cheap $*^t ain't always good."

    But going from "the bottom up" you end up the same...

    When the "good stuff" costs $1000, RARELY will something costing $100 be anywhere nearly comparable... e.g. there often is no fine line between cheap and expensive and you get what you pay for.

    And there IS a big difference between a good value and cheap... Which is where a lot of folks go wrong, and confuse the two.

    As far as naming pieces of worst interfaces..... Behringer, some of the Digidesign stuff, everything made by Microsloth, a few Yamaha pieces, a couple of TASCAM pieces, hell... most everyone makes a clunker every once in awhile... even Neve, API, and SSL.
     
  9. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    I'm just trying to make a reference point of places for people new to recording to NOT venture to. I figured starting with the bottom dwellers would be a refreshing place to start. We always hear whats the best this, the best that....I figured there would be a more agreed upon consensus of places not to start. I remembers starting recording from a Mackie 1202...coming out of the headphone output, and into a 1/8 adapter to a soundblaster. So I have been at the bottom, just hoping this would start off on interfaces, and we would move into microphones to stay away from...and so on and so forth.
    You are absolutely right about the market dictates, it always does. That rule tends to apply to new gear. Trying to save a new kid from thinking they are getting a bargain on a used interface. That's why I mentioned the Aardvark. It is a very usable interface time and place, but those times have moved on. Shoot you can score the Q10 for 50-100 bucks.
     
  10. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    I used to do multi tracking on a standard cassette tape player...it's not the bottom from my point of view, just getting the best you can out of what you have.
     
  11. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    Stop your whining all of you and answer the bloody question, Jeremy has a point! (yall sound like a bunch of 9 year olds)

    I'm dissatisfied with my Mbox 2 Pro Factory. Its built with cheap parts, it doesn't react well with Logic. It doesn't feel 'Pro' Doesn't even feel "pro-sumer'!

    Don't get me stated on the software.
     
  12. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    He screams because no one answers, you scream because no one cares...coincidence?

    edit: it is another example of ask a better question, get a better answer. It is a poorly formed question with no real answer EXCEPT what the disgruntled may produce.
     
  13. BDM

    BDM Active Member

    i actually don't mind the mbox pro (even though it doesn't look or feel 'pro') but am unhappy that the phantom is either on or off on BOTH inputs, so i can't use a ribbon and a condenser together. silly.
     
  14. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    OK.

    I'm using a Realtek ALC880, on my motherboard.

    If I slapped another pair of sound cards into the PCI slots, I could record say, 6 channels of input. But that's useless because they're out of sync.

    All the inputs are lacking in something (clarity comes to mind) and I have this buzzing issue.

    My argument for soundblasters is that it's taught me to watch levels, forced me to focus on my mixing skills, but most importantly, taught me that
    Noise floor doesn't matter. As soon as you have more than 30dB SNR that's PLENTY to work with.

    Listen to http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/176874/BF-HC2.mp3 and tell me, does the buzzing (evident at the start) annoy you? Not me. I hear it as a fantastic rendition of a great Scottish song which means more to me than having all the gear in the world.
    (I do have one complaint about that recording: the mics I put up were too far back and lost half of the violins)
     
  15. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from here Halifax. I'm sure making a thread of gear to stay away from would get a ton of replies, but the problem would be, the replies would be all over the place. I was trying to make a more focused inquiry on a specific part of the recording chain. Trying to get products to stay away from, and then maybe we could post a list once we have enough replies in a few threads we could compile a list with good input from many forum members(Interfaces/Monitors/Microphones/Preamps). It was just an idea, but the true nature of this forum rears it's ugly head far too often. I have been guilty of this I wont even say I haven't ( I called Dan retarded, and he clearly is not but we differ on an opinion). But people who say they wont contribute anything to a thread because I don't like the title, clearly don't understand I'm not doing this for my own benefit.
     
  16. iamfrobs

    iamfrobs Guest

    Code,
    That performance is amazing. You did a very good job with what you have. You can't use that as some leverage to get a crack at good equipment? Even a better PCI soundcard?
    It's a shame.
     
  17. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    Yeah Code, I agree with iamfrobs, really refreshing to hear a great recording of Scottish music.

    I have no idea if you have a direct box?

    I have a JDI Duplex that I use on everything that I can. Its amazing how much it gets rid of hum. Just like the really awesome mic pres it has input transformers that isolate and get rid of lots of noise.

    Check it out:

    http://www.proaudiosystems.co.uk/product-2947/radial-jdi-duplex-mk4-stereo-direct-box.html

    I am sure you probably already know about these.
    Keep up the good work.
     
  18. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much guys. I really do appreciate it.

    Goes to show, it's not the gear, but the performance.
    That fiddle band was in our church for a 2 hour gig - I threw those mics up at the half-time interval to be as unobtrusive as possible and didn't get to listen to them until they started playing.

    Jammster, yeah thanks. I've actually got a few channels of DI but they're all used for guitar inputs etc. although one is used on the feed going to the induction loop in the church. People moaned about buzzing, some guy from a company came and looked at it, didn't fix it. I put a DI on it and the problem "went away". Now I'm a DI down... (sounds like a film)
     
  19. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    Monkey if you remember, what were the mics you ended up using during this session?
     
  20. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Hardly a "session" more of a "supply monitoring of their keyboard and then throw some mics up for the conductor/announcer and also for a few violin/guitar solos.

    I remember well, that was a pair of Shure PG58s plugged into the preamps on my Phonic K-16 taking a feed directly out of the Insert jacks and into the line in on the PC.
    I did a bit of EQ in the DAW afterwards, some bass boost and a low filter. I probably still have the project file.
     

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