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XY vs Recorder Man for poor acoustic room

Discussion in 'Recording' started by AllInRuins, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    Does either option offer a better sound for a poor acoustic room?

    What does each one do different from the other?

    Is one better than the other?
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Same difference - equally bad in a bad room.

    If you experiment enough, you might find a position for the XY pair that is acceptable, where that would be more difficult for RM. Are you thinking of miking the kick and the snare as well?
     
  3. I have a bad room, too, and to speak experientially, I feel the RecorderMan technique is much more finicky about precision placement. I don't try it unless I have at least an hour to devote to getting drum sounds and a performer who's patient -- realistically, I only use it when I want to cut the tracks.

    Take also into consideration that RecorderMan's method requires that your kick drum doesn't scoot, your snare stand doesn't tilt or lower through abuse, and that you're willing to compromise comfort (cymbal heights, tom locations, et al.) if it means a more balanced result.
     
  4. gullfo

    gullfo Active Member

    why not fix the room?
     
  5. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    I mic the snare top and bottom, bass drum and each tom.

    Possibly because I am not made of money?
    Its a grand idea though!
     
  6. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    That's probably too many mics on the kit, even in a reasonable room. You're in danger of creating a muddy sound due to phasing differences between all the mics and also from the room reflections. If you have less than ideal acoustics, the fewer mics the better. You could start with the kick and two OH and see what that sounds like. Add a single snare mic if necessary. As Remy keeps saying: less is more!
     
  7. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    Remy thought my recording sounded bad ass.
    The more mics the better is what I have found in my experiences. Its just knowing how to use them.

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  8. Okay, the drums in this piece are clearly samples. It's true that you "know how to use" microphones mechanically--that is, you can get them to transduce acoustic energy from the drums into electrical energy--but I'd suggest you take some tips from Boswell if you want to learn how to use them musically.
     
  9. Sleightofhand

    Sleightofhand Active Member

    Um these aren't samples. LMAO.
    You're a real genius.
     
  10. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    Ya.. lol these are not samples...
    What made you think they were samples?

    Here are a few tracks I uploaded for some one.

    Click for help files
     
  11. I'll preface by saying that even geniuses are wrong sometimes. However, as I listen to this performance, I'm all but positive--positive--you used drum replacement.

    Focusing on the snare: the consistency of the performance and the quality of the signal are dead giveaways. Most damning, perhaps, is the fact that the snare as heard through your kick drum mic sounds nothing like the up-front snare in the mix. Just to sate my curiosities, why don't you tell me a little about your signal chain and mixing techniques.

    Many third-graders can and do use microphones well enough to let Drumagog and few samples do the work. And there's nothing wrong with this approach. But Boswell's advice about using exorbitant mic'ing on an all-acoustic kit still stands.
     
  12. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    If you can, Patrick, take a look at those tracks in an editor.

    Every hit is clipped hard, lots o' square waves!
     
  13. It's hip to be square [wave]. Thanks, Bent.
     
  14. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    No problem!
     
  15. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    Dead give aways to what?
    I didnt use samples so your "third grade" reasoning is flawed.

    I run the mics into a fired pod, and then into a mac book pro.

    Im sorry bro just give it up, we didnt use drum replacement.
    Maybe I can just hit a snare drum consistently? IDK, Thats the only thing I can think of.

    And saying things like even a third grader can do it, and that you are 100% certain even though you really have no idea is one of the most logically flawed statements one can make. It just makes me think you are some one high on their ego, thats all.
     
  16. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Consistently into clip?

    I'd feel like the fool if my drum tracks sounded like samples to other guys, especially if I knew the reason for their thinking was that I clipped them every step of the way!
     
  17. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    What does clipping have to do with performance?
    And how would clipping mean I use samples?

    Thats a really weak argument if that is all the proof you have.
     
  18. Bent's deductions were only further evidence of the fact that you audio-plagiarize and lie about it.
     
  19. AllInRuins

    AllInRuins Guest

    You cant be serious... you are a joke.
    Get off your know it all high horse.

    So because:

    #1 The drums clip
    #2 Sounds consistent
    #3 The bleed into the bassdrum sounds different than a mixed snare drum with many different elements coming into play

    I use samples.

    That sure is a solid argument there.
    Just the fact that you were not present for any of the recording mixing and editing is enough for anyone with a brain to need more evidence from your side than that.
     
  20. What's a joke is getting called out on something and becoming defensive.

    Even Metallica used samples, "bro." There's no shame in it.
     

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