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Yamaha NS 10 vs

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by Tekker, Jul 20, 2002.

  1. Tekker

    Tekker Active Member

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    Hi everyone,

    I'm in the market for some good nearfield monitors and I just wanted to get some opinions on some good monitors in the $300 range. Tho I could possibly go more if they're really good. :)

    Right now I'm looking at the Yorkville YSM-1i monitors ($240) and I've heard these are very good, but I'm also open to other suggestions if you guys know of any better ones.

    Thanx,
    -tkr
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    There is only one solution in my opinion, Yamaha NS 10's. Yeah they are not flattering, as a matter of fact I think they sound pretty bad but if you can make somthing sound good on them it will travel. By that I mean it will sound good on all systems. Also they are a known quantity, a standard in the buisness. Yamaha has stopped making them so you will have to find a used set. Fats
     
  3. Tekker

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    Hey Cedar,
    I've been looking at the NS10s also, but I've heard that they cause ear fatigue really fast and are hard to listen to for long periods of time, so they're not to good to have as your "only" monitors. I've also heard that they kinda lack in the low end. That's why I'm looking at getting the Yorkville (or other) monitors first. I still do plan on getting those some day and I'll probably use them to check mixes on and make minor tweaks, because I too have heard that if you can get it to sound good on these then they will sound good on anything. But I don't think I'll use them as my main monitors.

    Thanks for the reply,
    -tkr
     
  4. sdevino

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    The NS-10s are used by many pros as their main mixing monitors. And they do cause ear fatigue. They are also going for about $500 pair since they are now "vintage".

    Just some comments:
    - Cedar Flats is right, if you can get a mix to sound good in the NS-10s it will sound good almost anywhere.
    - To get NS-10s to be tolerable you need to power them with a really really good amp. Most pro studios are using something in the class of a Bryston 4B bridged for each speaker (~$3000 of amp per speaker). Then they actually sound pretty good! :eek:

    You always have to consider the power amp budget for monitors. The self powered monitors are a good trade off if you are on a budget. Otherwise you should be thinking at least $800/channel for powere amps.
     
  5. Tekker

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    I've got a Mackie 1400i power amp (which is a very nice amp, about $600) so all I really need is the monitors. As of right now I don't have $800 per channel to spend on an amp and I just need some good monitors so I can get rid of the Aiwa CD-Player speakers :)

    Dang, I guess it'll be a while before I can get those then. :(

    -tkr
     
  6. RecorderMan

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    Except. It's becoming almost impossible to get components for them (NS10's) now. They are very prone to (especially the woofers) early fatigue. A&M (back when Shelleyu Yakus was there) used to change out eher NS10 components EVERY DAY. There was a pretty good little used market in LA for day old NS10 parts back then. I use them (especially with my yamaha sub). But I would not buy pair now. I'd find a new referrance. There are many capable options out there. And it won't cost an arm or leg to keep them in shape. AND you won't work on speakers that are past there prime because you don't have new parts. NS10 woofers, especially, get floppy fast.
     
  7. BrockStapper

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    my .02 cents:
    I heard the Yorkville monitors at the winter NAMM show and was completely unimpressed (and I really wanted to like them as I was a dealer and looking for an inexpensive pair of nearfields). granted it was noisy, but the sound was so distorted (either as a gain structure issue, source issue, or speaker issue) I have never thought about getting near a pair again...
    Now hopefully this won't incite too many tomatoes but I would suggest the Behringer monitors. Best cheap powered monitors around for 350-399 a pair. 125 watts for the lows and 75 for the highs.
    <ducks>
     
  8. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

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    When it comes to "project studio" monitors, most of them suck. There are several monitors out there that will serve you much better than those Yorkvilles.
    For $600, you can get a pair of KRK V4's that are very nice. The low end is a little limited, but they're very flat and accurate ... arguably the best buy in their price range.
    Closer to the price range of the Yorkvilles, I like Tannoy Reveals. They're unpowered, but you have an amp for em. They're around $350.
    I'll also risk the tomatoes with Tekker ... for $400 a pair, the Behringer Truth monitors are decent bi-amped monitors ... much better than others anywhere near their price.
     
  9. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Distinguished Member

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    I personally can make the NS10's work very well. The early NS10's did have slightly thicker cones and would stay piston-like longer before warping. For average levels, no problems with the NS10's. one studio had 1000/side and we never blew them (although one did vibrate off the meter bridge onto the floor)

    At this time, look towar dynaudio. They are a shade mushier than 10's but they translate well.

    Opps , running out of time again..sorry so busy....
     
  10. Tekker

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    Really? That's the first time I've ever heard that (and I've done quite a bit of searching). I imagine it must have been something that they did, cause I've heard nothing but great things about these.

    I'd like to be able to listen before I buy, but I don't think the Guitar Center here has the Yorkvilles (tho I could be wrong)... but when I get the money I'll talk to them and see if they can get a pair in so I can listen before I buy. I'm not sure if they have the Behringers either but I'll see, I'd like to be able to try out both.

    Man, I'd LOVE to be able to get the KRKs, but they are a bit out of the price range at the moment. :(

    -tkr
     
  11. Kurt Foster

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    Just to update my comment, in addition to my NS 10's I have a set of Tannoy DMT 12's. I power both the Yamahas and the Tannoys with seperate Haffler Trans Nova 3000's ( 2 bridged in mono for the Tannoys and 1 in stereo for the Yamahas). I have found this to be an exellent reference system and I have never had a problem with the NS 10's in over 5 years. I had a client who fried one of the twweters in the Tannoys once but that's all. The KRK's are nice too. I've used them in another studio a few times and they worked well. Just remember that your mics and speakers are the most important factor in your recording set up. Don't skimp on them. Fats
     
  12. sdevino

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    People's comment son the NS-10's are pretty much consistant with my experience. I used them for a long time with a Crown K2. But since they are discontinued you will pay a premium for them as well as the parts.

    I would not recommend using the Mackie 1400i for studio monitors. I have one that we use on occaision for a PA and when ever I have hooked it up for anything in the studio it just sounded really nasty.

    In your budget range I think you would be better off with a powered set of monitors. Since you are limited by budget you really ought to find a way to audition some to make sure you like what ever you buy. Monitors are probably the single most important part of your studio in terms of getting a good sound. You might think about raising some funds and getting something you really like.
     
  13. Tekker

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    The only problem is, is that I'm paying for college at the moment and when I'm in college I can barely afford to keep that and car insurace covered. Now that I'm out for summer I gotta get it NOW or use these crappy Aiwa CD-Player speakers I've been using for another year (and I refuse to do that). I'm afraid that the Yorkies are going to be as high as I'm gonna be able to go as I've got another stickin' insurance payment coming up very soon which is gonna take off another $100+. :( As many good things as I've heard about them from people that have them or that use them (one of them in particular that really likes them also owns the KRK V8s and is one of the recording gurus over at homerecording.com), I don't think I will go wrong in getting them. But I was really surprised to find all the negative comments about them over hear (but that's why I wanted to get some more opinions). But the way my budget has been shrinking lately, I think I may either have to go with the Yorkies (or something else in that low price range) or spend another year mixing on my Aiwa speakers.

    -tkr
     
  14. RecorderMan

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    Tekker,
    along with the ubiquitous NS10's, I own a pir of JBL LSR25P's that I highly recommend. There small, self powered, sheilded (you can put them right alonside your monitor). They have dip switches to countour the sound various ways; i.e. you can make them brighter/duller and compensate for haing them up against a wall or using a sub woofer.
    There also around $300. Thats a piece though...I don't know if you were speaking of $300 for a pair or ....so this would be around $600. I can say that working around 85-90 db on these speakers will give you very translatable mixes...damn near anywhere.
    Components are cheap and raedily available as well.
     
  15. Tekker

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    Unfortunately that was $300 for both speakers. :) )...

    -tkr
     
  16. dynamo12

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    Check the NHT mini 0. They are often on EBAY too.
    I have seen pair going for as low as $100..I don't
    know how much they are new but should be really around your budget. jo
     
  17. plexi

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    I would look around for "hi-fi" speakers in the $300 range too, a lot of options out there....

    Amund
     
  18. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

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    Howdy

    After years of using NS10s, I switched to the JBL LSR28s a couple years ago. I really like them. I could list my likes about them but I think the most important thing for me is, they're everything the NS10s aren't. So, the LSRs end up being my "main" monitor and the NS10s are my "check" monitors.
     
  19. ivet

    ivet Guest

    actually, ns10m parts are easy to find. yamaha is still making them, and many electronics stores around the country stock them. yamaha is usually 3 weeks backordered. I just bought 2 tweets for $49 ea.

    Has anyone successfully fused their ns10's w/o severe quality loss?

    -iv
     
  20. BrockStapper

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    tweeters are one thing, woofers are another. The tree that the pulp comes from for those woofers is no longer readily available to Yamaha which is why the NS10's were discontinued. They sold out of their remaining stock of woofers pretty quickly (I know a guy who bought about 20 of them)
     

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