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Yamaha PM-2000

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by Pre Amp, Oct 1, 2005.

  1. Pre Amp

    Pre Amp Guest

    I called a guy about a board. He didn't have what I was looking for.
    But, he say's "I have a refurbished Yamaha PM-2000 (just got it back), I'm tryng to sell for $4500"
    Now I would like to hear what some of you think of this board.
    He also said "it sounds just as good as an API" (in his opinion)

    And, would you even need a board like this, if say you already had like 16 or 20 outboard pre-amps?
  2. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    It is a serious board. You will need to gauge whether your budget is comfortable with that expendature and if so, find out more about who refurbished it and exactly what was done and why.

    Lots of headroom and clean.

    I'd say....

    If you get a warrantee, (of perhaps a year) it would be a no brainer.

    The 2-bus ia worth it IMHO...
  3. Pre Amp

    Pre Amp Guest

    Well, the $4500 is not a problem, unless you are suggesting that I will have to spend more money on it in the near future. (I really don't need that)
    I sure will ask him some more questions about the refurb job, as well as who refurbed it?

    Do these Yamaha PM-2000's have Direct Outs?
    I really need direct outs, for what I'm gonna be doing.
  4. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    No mixer is complete without the owners manual.


  5. jdsdj98

    jdsdj98 Active Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Interesting. When was the PM2000 in its prime? I'm a fan of Yamaha's PM & DM lines, but am relatively young in the audio world. I've never seen a PM2000.
  6. Pre Amp

    Pre Amp Guest

    Yeah I've never seen one either. I couldn't even find a really good shot of one on a google search.
    However, this is supposted to be a f*ckin kick ass mixer.
    And I'm NOT a fan of Yamaha (Yamaha anything for that matter).
    So for me to even look at this board is quite out of the ordinary.
    I guess this board was made back when they were try'n to prove themselfs.

    So am I an idiot , even for thinking about using a 20 some year old mixing board?
    He says it has been...
    a) recapped w/ clean faders
    b) cleaned edge connectors where the channels plug in
    c) he says it came from Walt Disney studios out of Florida
    d) and that there might be a little problem or 2, since the board is old and that would be expected from any console that is older (whether it be an API, Neve, SSL, ect, ect, ect.)
    e) he said "that this board sold for $40,000 new, back in 1982, and that was alot of money back in '82"

    It's either this board or a Ghost.
    BIG difference!!!!!!
  7. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    Well, I wouldn't say it sounds like an API...

    It is a nice board though. Be expecting to spend a little money each year to keep it in shape.

    If you're unsure about the claims - find out a name and telephone number of the folks at Disney who got rid of it and contact them. Ask them why they got rid of it, what they replaced it with, what they liked about it and what they disliked about it.

    If I had the choice between it and a Ghost, I would still seriously be looking at the Ghost. The main reason is - considering the fact that most people (myself included) use external preamps a lot nowadays and outboard compression/eq and so on, you're really only getting most consoles nowadays for the use of their faders and summing bus. In both cases, the Ghost is a great board. (Especially if you can get the master section of the Ghost upgraded by someone who is familiar with them...)

    Don't get me wrong - the Yamaha board is nice (as are most things Yamaha that are pro - despite your dislike of them... :cry: ), you just have to decide exactly what your needs are and how both of these boards suits you.

    J. :cool:
  8. Johnson Cabasa

    Johnson Cabasa Active Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    ive worked on a copule of yamaha 2000 consoles and they are great. they sound some much better than a ghost it's not even funny. fletcher at mercenary keeps talking aobu the one in his studio and hes about the snottiest person i've ever heard of itn terms of equipment. if he has one you can't go too far wrong
  9. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Moderator

    Feb 23, 2005
    I was a Yamaha dealer during that boards' heydays. Direct outs? Maybe,can't remember, but they DO have a pre-fader insert, and that could be your direct out. They don't make anything analog in this league anymore. Unreal headroom.I believe that Yamaha was working with Deane Jensen on the transformers for that model. It sure blew the PM1000 away in terms of input gain, EQ characteristics, noise levels and the like. And there are a lot of PM1000 fans out there.
  10. Pre Amp

    Pre Amp Guest

    Fletcher is the one who is selling this board. So right now he has 2 of them. I decided not to go with it, mostly because it is sooo heavy and would require annual maintainace.

    If anybody wants it, call up Fletcher!!!!
    He still has it and is looking to sell it.
    $4500 plus shipping (is what he wants for it)
  11. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    Heres my six cents. The Yamahaha PM2000 is an incredible sounding monster. And I mean just that. I had a friend who had a medium sized Pro Sound and Lights company and he had two of em. One was 24 channels and the other was a big SOB....maybe 48 or more. I used the 24 several times and it was really deep and wide sounding....and there was ZERO chance of ever overloading the pres. The 24 was a good 2 feet wider than a Ghost 32 and it weighed a ton.

    I cant remember the direct outs thing either. Suffice to say it had a bunch of ins and outs in its sub/master secvtion and the matrix too, so you probably could do a multi-track setup with it. The 1000 is a bit harder to accomplish this with.
  12. Johnson Cabasa

    Johnson Cabasa Active Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    the reason things like that are soo heavy is because they are fullof transformeres witch is a good thing. did he say what kind of annual maintnance it was going to need or just the normal mainenatnce cleaning you should do to any consle.

    wtahc out for the patchbay on the ghost mine died after 3 years and i had to have it replace witch costed almost 2000 too yearsl later we sold it nad have an mci 400 witch sounds much better and is full of thansformers and needs to be fixed every now and then but sounds so goood it's worth it
  13. spratz

    spratz Guest

    Oh yes, the PM-2000. Analog classic. I own one and love it. However it might never leave my basement because of the weight. The one I have is 32 channels of rock-n-roll. The opamps are the standard 6 pin block opamps. I swapped out a couple in the master section for John Hardy 990c's. I love it. The Eq might be viewed as a bit limiting but that is the weakest link. Each input channel does have a 1/4" send and return. Fletcher was able to provide the service manuals and it was worth it. Tons of great information if you are into maintaining it yourself.

    It is great to work on yourself. Open up the hood and you see all the transformers (Tamara in my board). They sound good. The boards channel layout is modular which is great as well. Outboard power supply. I found mine for less than Fletcher is asking but it also needed some work. I will say that it is a sleeper board. But a number of people who have them love them.

  14. lennynorman

    lennynorman Guest

    It's an incredible sounding board. I used one for two years. $4,500 is a steal in my opinion if it's working and you get some kind of warranty.
    It makes an HD system sound like a transitor radio, in my humble opinion. You'll notice the difference immediately and will never use anything else for summing.
  15. Jerry McMaster

    Jerry McMaster Active Member

    Feb 11, 2013
    The Yamaha Pm2000 Consoles Pre Amplifier sounds as a good as ANY api Pre amp I have ever used
    It runs at 24 volts not 16 or 18 .Over all they Pm2000 Mixer sonics are amazing ,
    The Eq section sounds great but is narrow as I recall, I worked in a studio and a Mobile truck with the Yamaha Pm2000 mixer and the work I recorded with it is still some of the better sounding recordings I have ever did earlier in my mixing career.

    The over all console build is amazing and the did sell for $45,000 - $60,000 when the were new in the early 80's.
    They were built in Japan by hand and built very well,tanks.
    Some think the Pm2000 is a Jap copy of all things good in recording.
    Neve Style EQ( not as sweet but still very nice and very usable compared to a shitty DAW EQ with no sound! )
    The Pre Amp is very similar to an Api , runs at 24 volts like a John Hardy M1 Pre Amp
    .The board has 8 sub groups, 6 aux outs and 8 Matrix outputs.All and all I would much rather pay $4500-6 K for a Yamaha pm 2000 and get a wicked deal on a great mixer over paying $5 K and only get 8 channels of APi 3124 pre amps.
    At least with the Pm 2000 mixer you get 32 pre amps a killer mixer , To answer an earlier Question it gives you 32 direct outs , out of the balanced insert 1.4 TRS s

    A partial re cap would do it I think ,start with the PSU and master section, Many other mods can be done to the pm2000 mixer, and I have seen it moded to do inline mode, for repro,and many other mods including the one I used had a Neve summing Network in it for the 2-bus. I would say if you can get one for between $3500 t0 $6 K it is worth it, Just make sure you listen to it and get an accurate run down of where it is at A few I have seen are in need of some love, I am guessing there are some sweet ones still out there, I was told there were only a thousand ever made? It is hard to find many console besides Neve and Api's and a few select other vintage console that are completely transformer Class A with an All discrete 24 volt inpt mic pre amplifier and a decent eq with ok routing for any where near that price!
    I would build in $1000 To my budget if I was buying one for tech services or parts over the first couple years .
    Otherwise a very very sweet mixing and Tracking console for very cheap at this point indeed!

    If Fletcher has one that should tell you lots about how good it is. I also met a Canadian mix engineer / gear dealer "Lurch" at an AES years ago .
    Lurch had a nice PM2000 32 channel mixer, and loved it. We were lamenting about using the pm2k in the 80's and remembered how good the console sounded. He like Fletcher ( Mercenary Audio gear pimp,engineer ) had everything for high end recording gear,and all the vintage gear you would ever want /He loved the PM 2000 Mixer, I think he was from Reaction Studios Toronto Canada, a full on SSL room .I know cause I kept hear about stuff I like Recorded at Reaction Studios, Rush and the Bare Naked Ladies Bruce Cockburn
    .I am set up with all the gear I will ever need, but I do not know many other awesome sounding options for a transformer based discrete op amp, class A console until you spend a hell of a lot more cake $. Until I read this post I had forgot about these consoles!
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    yamaha pm 2000 - Google Search
  17. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Moderator (Distinguished Member) Resource Member

    Nov 25, 2012
    Akron/Cleveland, OH
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    Time frame wise, I'm thinking maybe late 70's on the initial release of that console, but I could be wrong on that.

    I worked for a Yamaha dealer in the early 80's, ( '83) and we had a PM 2000 in the showroom... it took a while to sell though (partly because of its price, as I recall they retailed out at around 50 large) and the other reason was that they were MONSTERS in weight and build... which to me is a great thing, but not so much if you're traveling with it... LOL.

    I think it finally did sell to a local concert venue for permanent house install.

    I do remember that the headroom on that desk was amazing. The EQ wasn't as detailed as other comparable desks at that time, but the pre's were great, and it was built like a tank.

    I can't imagine what the shipping/freight costs on that bad boy would be, though.... LOL
  18. Jerry McMaster

    Jerry McMaster Active Member

    Feb 11, 2013
    The Yamaha Pm2000 was late 70's design ,i think they started shipping in the very early 80's .

    They were a standard touring console with many large stadium rock shows and some broadcast facilities as it was very clean and with very high headroom and transformer based which was mandatory for broadcast Consoles at the time .
    The Pm2000 sound console was a legendary high quality console that was made by hand in Japan Thus the $50,000- 60,000 price tag for a 32 Channel pm2000 with a Case and 2 Power supplies.

    The DM 2000 is handy but sounds like $*^t comparably as do most of the new DIGITAL Consoles compared to one of these baby's

    I am forced to use those new consoles on occasion but would not if I had any choice or say in it, Recall over sound, I'll take the sound!

    It is like an APi and we did some shoot out comparisons back in the 80's recording with the Pm2000

    We could barely tell the difference between Api Pre's and the Pm2000 pre amp using the direct outs on the pm2k

    All Class A discrete all transformers everywhere on every on and out put ,everything has transformers. Thus the weight.I was the wood is even high fi that is all over the console.
    It is massively heavy and no expense was spared in the design or manufacturing process . made with very very keen Japanese Audio engineers that were trying to raise audio and sound standards to high levels unlike today where we live in the age of CRAP cheap sound no depth no vibe DAW mixes, the Motu Mbox, mp3 and so on.

    I forgot about these old sweeties and I might see if I can find one for our other room.

    Would rock for output summing mixing and pres's Beat that for the $
  19. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    good luck ... i'm pretty sure Fletcher's sold this one about eight years ago ..... again, no big whoop but; really, really old thread guys. duh
  20. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff Resource Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Prince George, BC
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    I love these old threads, better than most new ones, gives me hope . smoke

    I used the Yamaha 916 theater console for a year ( a skinny version of this). That thing was built like a tank and sounded beautiful. I was a fool and dumped it for something that had more hype.

    Keep the old threads alive I say.


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