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Yamaha Stagepass 600i power cut-out

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Robatillo, Apr 29, 2016.

  1. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Hi to all. Im a new member here.

    I have a problem with my Yamaha Stagepas 600i. Two days ago I powered up my stagepas, speakers not yet connected and no input connected. just powering up, after about 3 seconds power goes off. I repeat the process after 5 minutes. same problem after powering the unit, after a couple of seconds it went off. I also tried connecting the speakers and input but still the same. Is this a board problem?

    Please i need help. we use this every Sunday in our Church service.

    Thanks in advance.

    Robatillo
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Yes, a fault in the power section. Is it under warranty - the 600i is quite a new product?
     
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  3. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Its already two years. Out of warranty already. Its started when one of my speaker cable was defective. I replace it with ordinary wire cable with metal plug body. It function at first but last 2 days ago this happens it will power for a couple of seconds then it went off. Also i saw in the yamaha stagepas forum that the culprit is the replacement speaker cable wire that is not rated for the stagepas 600i. My mistake.
     
  4. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    It would surprise me if the replacement cable was the direct cause of the amplifier fault that you describe. It's more likely that the defect in the original cable caused stresses in the amplifier that have, over time, resulted in the behaviour you now see.

    Bad luck.
     
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  5. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Thanks Mr. Boswell for your prompt reply. Its time to heed for repair. Your site is a big help for us who wants answer in solving many problems regarding music technology.
    Once again thanks a lot
    More power!
    Regards,
    Robatillo
     
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  6. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Yup.. Bos is definitely our "go-to guy" around here for all things electronic.

    He's our electronics diagnostics and repair Guru. Plus, he's a great guy. ;)

    I have an EV RE20 that needs fixed... if I could afford to send it to the UK for him to work on, I would. :)
     
  7. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    I have come to a site looking for correct specification of wire cable speaker. This maybe of a great help in choosing the correct speaker cable. link: https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge.

    On table 1. There are specific cable gauge vs distance. Yamaha Stagepas 600i on the manual uses 4 ohms speaker load, and 6 meter or approximately 20ft length of speaker cable wire. But problem, it didn't specify what gauge it uses. Basing on the table correct me if I'm wrong. The nearest speaker cable wire gauge for Yamaha Stagepas 600i, for 4 ohms load and 20ft length speaker cable wire is 14AWG gauge. So this will matter. Similarly if you want longer speaker cable wire like in the example 30ft you need 12AWG gauge. Purpose for this is to maintain the correct resistance and insure topnotch fidelity of your system.

    Mr. Boswell care to enlighten us, maybe you have more knowledge with regards to this matter and to all the guys who have knowledge on this matter please share your inputs.

    Many thanks.

    Best Regards,
    Robatillo
     
  8. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    My pal Bos ( @Boswell ) has been occupied with other things lately, so I'll jump in with this:

    At a 4 ohm load, 14 gauge cable is sufficient for runs of up to around 35 feet ( around 11 meters).

    At the same load, 12 gauge cable is good to up around 60 feet ( 18 meters) , BUT... running cables past a distance of 50 feet isn't really advised, regardless of the cable gauge, as this can result in dampened hi frequencies.
    If you need longer runs than 50 feet (15.2 meters), you may want to consider placing your power amp(s) closer to the speakers and using a shorter cable length.

    There are variables at play, of course - the quality of the power amp and speakers being such.

    I fact-checked my info before I actually posted, and I found this:

    http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/live_sound/pa_systems/stagepas_300/2521/7034

    I was pretty close with my info, but you should follow the Yamaha chart, as they know their own systems requirements best.

    -d.
     
  9. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Hi Donny, Thanks for the reply.
    So for the Yamaha Stagepas 600i with 4 ohms speaker load and 6 meter speaker cable wire basing on the Yamaha table it should be between 16 to 18 gauge. Am i correct? 17 gauge to be approximate?
    Please need help coz after the repair done on my yamaha stagepas 600i i need to replace new speaker cable wire with similar specs of the original cable.
    Thanks for the input Donny.

    Best regards,
    Robatillo
     
  10. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    You're always better off to go with a cable gauge thicker than what you think you need, just to be safe... While using a thinner gauge has its potential problems, there's no real downside to going with a thicker gauge, other than the possibility that a thicker gauge may be more difficult to fit into a banana plug/connector.

    Honestly, I'm not sure if 17 Gauge cable even exists in audio cabling... they are usually numbered in even increments. I could be wrong about that though.
     
  11. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Thanks Donny,
    I will heed your suggestion and im thinking also 18 to 16 gauge is so thin. Its final for me. I will be using 14 gauge speaker cable. Would you care to recommend what brand of speaker cable and the 1/4 PL cable plug.
    Many thanks.
     
  12. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Personally, I use a 14 gauge Belden speaker cable - open leads on one end ( speaker terminals) and connected to a banana plug on the power amp end. My distance is only around 4' or so from amp to monitors, so 14 gauge is plenty sufficient.

    I've had it for about 20 years, it's never failed me, then again, it's not being moved or constantly coiled/uncoiled... It's stationary, so it doesn't suffer any stress.

    There are many good cables out there; Monster Cable, Mogami... make sure you get speaker cable with quality connectors, as this is where most cheaper cables tend to fail.
     
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  13. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Thanks Donny.
     
  14. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Donny has given you very good advice there.

    If you can get 14 gauge Belden cabling (e.g. their model 8814), you should be fine for runs up to 20ft (6 m) per speaker. If you have to run further than that, lower the gauge to 12 or even 10, but you may have trouble wiring the thicker gauges into jack plugs. Also, it is not vanity to specify gold-plated jack plugs, as they really can give a lower contact resistance over their useful working life.
     
  15. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Glad to help. That's what we're here for. :)
     
  16. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Thank you guys for your advise. It helps a lot when you don't know what to do in time like this. Thats why i'm very pleased that you answered me and give suggestion to your best abilities.
    More power to you guys
    Best regards.
     
  17. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    The last time I responded to a Yamaha StagePas problem the cause turned out to be using an instrument cable to replace one of the speaker cables.
     
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  18. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Mine happens only recently, After replacing ordinary cable and using it, after 2 days it powered and a couples of seconds it went off. Yamaha stagepas 600i on the user manual, states that using other cables not rated for this unit may result in heat generation or short circuiting. My mistake because i use ordinary cable and the metal 1/4 PL plug. But my unit is already two years, maybe the stresses of the original speaker wire have, in overtime also contributed to the problem.
     
  19. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    So...have you been using an instrument cable or have you been using a speaker cable?
     
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  20. Robatillo

    Robatillo Active Member

    Recently i use instrument cable because my original Yamaha Stagepas 600i speaker cable was defective and this problem happens. My unit now is under repair. So I'm planning to replace the stagepas 600i speaker cable with the same specs as the original cable. Thanks to our moderator and to all you guys for your great advise.
    I learned a lesson from this. "If you don't know a thing, don't be rush ask the expert or else you might make it worse"

    More power to all you guys!
     

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