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you CAN make a song more dynamic with EQ

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Rider, Oct 20, 2005.

  1. Rider

    Rider Guest

    jp was right guys, you can make a song more dynamic with only eq!!!! cut out the squished mids so it leaves the kick and the hats, vola nothing but dynamic! (yes im kidding on this part.. duh)

    and a fun hands on experiment*: i made a decent home brewed 'karaoke' effect that doesnt sound too shabby. do the usual right phase switch, sum to mono, then add in a 2nd track and scoop the general vocal range out (300-6k), adds all the goodies back in. 'stereoize' the mono track a little (i just sent it to a couple buses and detuned each differently by a few cents then blended with original). it doesnt sound great, sounds kind of live, but is quite impressive considering how much it appears (key word) to leave behind.

    *im sure its no duh to some people here, but to whoever it isnt its pretty neato.
     
  2. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    yeah
    what you described there is a Sum and Difference thing.

    some people have used this as part of their mastering tools for a long time.
    Some mastering desks have both controls and metering for this stuff.
    EQ and side chain compression and widening effects.

    NOT saying that the approach you took is actually the way they do it ... or even that the cut / boost choice was ... normal ??
    :roll:

    but yeah
    all a learning experience
     
  3. Rider

    Rider Guest

    im aware of stereo wideners and the like, no clue how they work though. the point wasnt widening the signal (eve nthough it wasnt a terrible method, cleaner than delay and balanced) it was creating a decent sounding karaoke mix from the original song. works really well on metal where the vocals are 100% mono of course.

    but scooping out the mids and leaving only below 200 and above 6k (rough figures, forget specifics) really adds back what was lost in cancelling mono out without adding what was suppose to be removed.

    man, if only i could find a way to subtract stereo and ONLY leave the mono. im sure theres a way with coding a plug, but using phase and such..
     
  4. dwoz

    dwoz Guest

    what you're scratching for is called "mid-side". (or, "MS"). Its also an integral part of the whole quaint "vinyl" process.

    Its worth a google excursion or two...

    dwoz
     
  5. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Another fun trick is to use a Dolby Pro Logic decoder.

    Use your polarity trick with side chain EQ to take the middle frequencies (vocal) out of the Centre Channel.
    Then put it all back to gether again.

    you do get left with the original vocal reverb
    but hey
    it's all in fun
     

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