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best tube amp for recording metal?

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i record melodic death metal and i need a good amp. kinda similar to in flames colony-clayman era (and somewhat their newest album), i think they use a peavey but im unsure of the model? like what sounds really clean, high gain, but not a dead mess of fuzz? (please dont say marshall..)

btw where can i look for real amps, the only place i can find around here (bakersfield ca) is guitar center and the extend to recording amps is crate tube amps, marshalls, or fenders, all mainstream brands everyone buys. some are pretty good but nothing what i need em for.

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Member Fri, 12/01/2006 - 00:34
There's a band called "in flames" that has a colony-clayman era? Or any era?

:D

I'm afraid for most people you're going to need a more familiar example; however, Mesa is a pretty safe recommendation for most metal tones.

Certainly not the only contenders, though. There are still plenty of high-gain amps out there.

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[edit: So, I guess this band is actually more well-known in metal circles than I thought. My bad. ;) The same round of Googling revealed that they've endorsed the Peavey 5150 (now known as 6505+) at some point in time in their career.]

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Member Fri, 12/01/2006 - 11:33
Yo.

Resident metal head here who happens to be a gear geek.

In Flames rocks a couple 5150's. The part I don't agree with is that Bjorn puts an Evil Line 6 pod in the in chain before it (for live work anyway). If you want an insane pure metal tone, try this setup:

Guitar (most metal guys go for EMG's, I'm not a big fan personally)

Volume pedal

Wah (have to say the Zakk Wylde wah is pretty sweet)

*some like it before the distortion, some after, currently I'm using it before

Distortion (I use the Visual Sound Jekyll and Hyde, it's great and dual channel)

Delay (Nice to kick in on the occasional solo)

Phaser ( lots of depth, slow rate, we're adding dimension here!)

into the amp.

The lead channel on the 5150 sounds great, the rhythm channel as well. I believe the patent/copyright (whatever it is) on the 5150 and Van Halen has ended and Peavey is re-releasing the amp as the 6505, but it's the same thing.

Dual recitifiers are ok for that tone as well.

You might try an Engl, they are nice.

Enjoy!

Cheers,
-Ryan-

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moonbaby Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:21
I dunno about that one....there's a band from here called, "Limp Bizkit". Not my cup of tea, but nice enough blokes down at the local geetar shop. Anyway, the have a couple of those Framus amps that they are always bringing in to get repaired. The techs complain that those are some of the most over-engineered/under-built amps they've seen...

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Member Fri, 12/01/2006 - 14:58
my man the boogie tri axis is your answer. if your not willing to fire that kind of cash,you would be stupid if you didnt at least listen to the POD
modern high gain setting. especially plugged straight into the line in of a recorder. theres a switch on the back of those that needs to be set right though.
rock your face off, J Rock

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Member Thu, 02/15/2007 - 11:14
Dude....
You need to check out Krank amps and Madison amps. Those are 2 amazing metal amps that are nowhere near the price of a mesa. I personally don't like a mesa triple rec. Especially not for metal. From the previous posts, the peavey 6505 is the best suggestion next to madison or krank. A couple bands here in Florida got endorsed by both those companies and they sound phenomenal. I have actually tracked a madison.

Here are their websites....
http://www.madisonamps.com
http://www.krankamps.com

Check out myspace.com/withbloodcomescleansing
That was recorded with a Krank.

Let me know what you think bro.

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Member Fri, 12/01/2006 - 17:48
where would i be able to try most of these out anyway? i can try mesas at guitarcenter but as for the other amps.. where would i be able to jam on a 6505 to try it out? or is there a site that gives pretty good ideas of what the amps sound like recorded before mastering and all that good stuff?

and as for the in flames thing, thats pretty funny, but sorry it was the closest example i could give other than 'i use to use a trace elliot super tramp but i want something with a LOT more gain but the same clairty and liveleness to it'

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Member Fri, 12/01/2006 - 18:44
young brother, you should definatley be able to try boogie stuff out at G center. i have the tri-axis,a simul class 2-90 and two recto cabs. a really ass kickin set up. but for simplicity sake, i used the POD(modern high gain setting)to record my cd,and it absolutely shredded.

im not tryin to sell you the damn thing but i've been playin guitar for 22years why would i substitute the POD over the other amp if it didn't sound good????? crazy i guess.

we should get together and write some scandanavian metal sometime. i hope your guitar sound ends up sounding like absolute shred bro.

regards,Willjrockstar

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Member Fri, 12/01/2006 - 21:29
well heres how i ran mine just so you know.
one PRS guitar into the input. it has a left and right out,but i only used one out coz i was doubling my traxx anyhow.go straight into your recorder via 1/4inch cable.set the EQ on the pod and your recorder to taste.
and thats it.big time simple.are you feelin me player? a couple of other things though.there is a switch on the back of the POD,one setting is used for operating it in a guitar amp set-up.(like when your playin live),and the other setting is for when you use it like im tellin you.big time important on that cuz.
the other thing is studio monitors.head phones dont quite do it justice.as a matter of fact when my main rig goes down, i'll use it for rehersal right through the monitors.sounds great.

finally,record your first track, then rercord a second track identical to the first one, and at playback pan one hard left and the other hard right and stand back.

i think youll dig it. lemmy(motorhead)know what you end up doin or if you even tried it the way im sayin
good luck! keep it real real,
JRock
PS if you cant get ahold of one,you
kin rent one from just about any music
store with a rental dept.

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RockmanXPR Tue, 03/13/2007 - 15:58
hueseph wrote:

Honestly, i thought the guitars sounded fine there. Good even. I found more fault in the drums which I felt sound a little boxy. That may be the room.

Thanks for the input, and funny you should mention the drums, they are really a midi file with Drum kit from hell Superior samples. No effects on them and the gating was done with the software. However here is a better version, drums have been EQ's and added a bit of reverb in it too
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=4820970&q=hi

This recording was done a couple months ago but now I think I found a better recording tone...

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Member Mon, 12/04/2006 - 01:22
heh i can do fine recording the guitar (thanks for the effort though). ive got a 57 beta that made my old guitar sound amazing with overdrive in front of it (i have an eq pedal now to replace that but im thinking of getting an old school tbe screamer for punch now). too bad my old amp is gone. great drive and had real character but almost no gain to it.

and ya i do hard pan my guitars. add a bit of eq here and there. im pretty simplistic recording it most of the work comes from amp settings and mic placement. im wanting to get a 2nd mic going though or possibly a condinser but thats in the future, i just make do with what i have for now. that is except my amp. if my tone doesnt match what im playing i just dont get into it, thus my huge delima. and i go way against the grain in that i take a different approach to writing. i started writing with reason then started writing live pieces with my guitar so im use to writing by tracking, it just lays it out better for me to see the different pieces than just jamming it out with my guitar in my room.

so yeah where can i try out some amps. also whats peoples thoughts on b52? it sounds kinda decent but its hard to tell without a mic in front of it and running through monitors, ya know?

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dementedchord Wed, 03/14/2007 - 20:36
for the record i am a keyboard player and a tech... not a guitarist... how ever a very close friend who is a shredder and an engineer with a small prostudio here in town had been looking fora new combo for his room... and believe it or not what he ended up with was this new little crate 32 wt class A thing... if your needing to push big rooms stay away but for recording this thing is amazing... i know it dont make sense but you owe it to your self to check this thing out... probably the sleeper amp du jour...
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