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pc vs mac

Maybe this has been answered many times before, but I don't understand why a mac is better for recording. I know they are well built, easy to use, and much more stable. But if you know how to maintain your computer does that really matter? You also get a lot more bang for your buck with a pc or windows based laptop. I'm asking this because i'm looking into getting a new comp, preferably a laptop. Everyone raves about macs for recording but when i look at the specs on a windows based comp and a mac you get a hell of a lot less on the mac for the same dollar. Will a mac still outperform anything else regardless of lower processing speeds and lower ram?

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Scoobie Thu, 12/28/2006 - 09:30
I thought this was a discussion on a Recording Forum, so Viruses and Windows update's should be the last thing you should worry about. The price of building a DAW is not really that much. So IMO, PC or Mac your are crazy to have them hooked up to the internet.

Every Daw that I have put together, I spend hours truning all that crap off, Firewalls, Virus prtection, ect. ect.............Stuff that a DAW don't need!
I even have alot of XP stuff turned off, Like windows restore. Maybe I have been lucky but I just don't have all the problem's I here people talk about.

Hell, I still have a Old (RYO, Iwill- AMD Daw using 98se) PC in my living room that gets used all the time. The only thing that has ever died was the hard drives and power supply.

One day I would like to have a Mac, But only when my wife buys me a ProTools HDD system. LOL....

Peace.......Scoobie

Music_Junky Thu, 12/28/2006 - 09:53
Scoobie wrote: I thought this was a discussion on a Recording Forum, so Viruses and Windows update's should be the last thing you should worry about. The price of building a DAW is not really that much. So IMO, PC or Mac your are crazy to have them hooked up to the internet.


I agree with you! My DAW does not even know what Network adapter is :)

VonRocK Thu, 12/28/2006 - 10:21
Music_Junky wrote: Well yes windows has lots of viruses, is it because of poor programing or because it's the os with the most users?

Ya see, here's a guy piping in on a discussion without ANY thing other than his old laptop kicks his buddy's old mac laptops ass. Did you do a benchmark? Anything other that a subjective opinion?

Allright. Lets look at your quote. Lets also clear this misconception up. Windows is poorly programed compared to OS X. That's why it has viruses. By your reasoning, because Windows has more users, then OS X should have at least ONE virus. Apple has anywhere from 5 to 15 percent of the market. You would think that they would have 5 to 15 percent of the viruses out there. So, at least ONE virus must have been writen for OS X? Just ONE? If you really think that OS X doesnt have any viruses because Windows owns most of the market, then you are a victim of the lies that spread around about macs. You didnt come up with that one all on your own either. You read it on the internet, so it must be true. Open your eyes.

Scoobie, for a guy who "usally stay away from a discussion like this" you've responded three times now. This is a discussion about tools used to RECORD, and viruses and security updates are a reality. You obviously want a mac, yet you resist. Why spend "hours turning all that crap off" ? when you can just buy a mac. Perhaps one day your luck on windows will wear off.

But I know frist hand that some have problems all the time with there Mac's.

I am curious as to what problems "they" are having? First hand knowledge should at least be aware of what the specific problems were. Or is that really second or third, maybe fourth hand knowledge? What year was this? How many big studios in Nashville were having mac problems?

VonRocK Thu, 12/28/2006 - 10:43
Music_Junky wrote:

I agree with you! My DAW does not even know what Network adapter is :)


Wow. You guys have been so brainwashed into thinking that a DAW should not be on a network. Why?

Because if your DAW even comes close to the internet, you are at serious risk of your DAW becoming unusable. So you don't connect it to the internet. If it was connected to the internet, you would not be able to afford the system resources that your bloated, poorly conceived OS needs to keep itself safe. You need all the processing power going to the task at hand, not running firewalls and antivirus software and pop up windows telling you that you are at risk. That's the way it is in your world.


So a pc is better than a mac because you need to spend hours shutting off OS stuff and you keep it at least ten feet from any network connection before you can even consider using it for a DAW? Did i get that right?

Oh, and macs MAY have bugs!

Kev Thu, 12/28/2006 - 12:48
the DAW could be on the network because the media drives are shared with the other DAW and FCP suites

network doesn't have to mean internet

it's just a computer and there is no single answer
OS... Application ... Hardware
the conbination is what matters and from time to time , through upgrades any combination can have bugs and incompatabilities

get over it

dementedchord Thu, 12/28/2006 - 15:56
dont know what you really hope to accomplish with this crap but never the less 2 points...
first as to earlier comments about risc... i took your comments out of context and thought you were saying at the core cpu level thet were using risc... my bad... but depending on how loosely you define risc it's not a new idea... every time you off load a process it makes it easier for the cpu... and that includes drive controllers ...video... onboard sounds anything... and even encludes things like asic's like what you find in your keyboards and effects units... so it's not exactlly unique to apple...

second... as to viruses etc... a programmer friend explained it to me this way... from conception it was decided (with encouragement from IBM) that MS would try to keep windows as open an archetecture as possible so as to encourage other developement.... apple under no such pressure closed it off... remember when you couldn't buy a good acct package or whatever for a mac ??? so that decision along with the ubiquity of pc's made it an easy target for hackers...

VonRocK Thu, 12/28/2006 - 16:00
Kev wrote: get over it

I know, I know. I have a hard time getting over the knee jerk reactions of windows users whenever this topic comes up. I just hate reading the same misinformed blanket statements made by people who for the most part have no direct experience with what they are talking about. Add to that the implied expertise that the context of such information is made, and I'm over the top!

I'll try to get over it.

hueseph Thu, 12/28/2006 - 21:24
I'm sorry. I just can't let this one go. OSX is a "closed ended" OS? Oh. Right. Like you don't even have access to command line like X11. Because Unix is so closed ended. There's no way to even deal with core functions.

Even with the older OSes there was command line but now there's even more ways to access command line in OS X. Because of the Unix based kernel, there's people developing all sorts of unsupported apps. You can fidget away to the point of rendering your Mac useless if you like, the only thing is, you have to do it as an administrator.

MadMax Fri, 12/29/2006 - 01:58
OK kids... let's get all the facts straight...

The fact that an OS is written poorly, due to the instruction set used by the CPU, is the reason that viruses and malicious codes even work. It's that fact ALONG with Microsloth wanting to keep the OS an open "architecture" form that makes it such an easy target for malware. When you throw in Microsloth's arrogance... you get a natural target... an industry even! (Hmmm, makes you wonder... at least you SHOULD wonder...)

Since the "customer is always right", and I'm the customer... I should be able to create a network and tie that network to the internet and with reasonable security measures, do such things as ftp, internet radio, etc.

With my operation, I will be doing such. I cannot in ANY way be assured of even moderate securty with the Windows OS. I can with Linux, UNIX and Mac OS... odd that they're all UNIX core OS's isn't it? (Even though the two OS's can run in the 8088 instruction set world.)

And yes BTW, there is "officially" only one virus for the OS-X operating system, yet there are about a dozen security patches - of which there is still only one that remains open. I'm sure that there will soon be many more, but compared to countless throusands of security holes in the native Win OS... I like my odds better with something other than Windows.

Scoobie Fri, 12/29/2006 - 15:06
Vonrock..............

I usally don't get into discussion like this, becaue somepeople just get their panties in-a-wade real quick. I just though everbody was acting rather civilized. So I just thought I would give my 2cents.
It's just a person's opinon. Mine, I use a PC because I use Samp and Sonar. Both run on windows. Thats the main reason I use the platform of my choice.

Far as tuneing my OS, not a hassle for me. I have to tune my Gibson J45 before I play it, but my Daw only gets tuned once.

And other Studio's, it was frist hand knowledge. I had 2hours of session work , vanished I was told. But, I'm not going to mention any studio 's name. But I will say it was more of operator error. That's the point I was tring to get across. What works for you(me) might not(want) work for another.

Peace............Scoobie

Music_Junky Fri, 12/29/2006 - 16:34
VonRocK wrote: [quote=Kev]get over it

I know, I know. I have a hard time getting over the knee jerk reactions of windows users whenever this topic comes up. I just hate reading the same misinformed blanket statements made by people who for the most part have no direct experience with what they are talking about. Add to that the implied expertise that the context of such information is made, and I'm over the top!

I'll try to get over it.
Well sorry i bother you i was just saying my toughts.
I'm not a pure windows user i use mac, pc and linux. I am not speaking for windows i think mac's are great! My next computer will be from apple.
I dont want to sound like the know it all guy so i am just going to stop arguing about this matter :)

I have a Bachelor's degree in computer science and I know very well not to get in the mac vs pc discussion.

Im sorry if i pissed you off ;)

one question what kind of mac should i get? I mean the mac pro even if it's a tower would i ever upgrade it? imac?

p.s. sorry about my english i hope i dont sound like a 10 year old :D

Kev Sat, 12/30/2006 - 12:30
Music_Junky wrote: Im sorry if i pissed you off ;)
didn't piss me off

it is just the best advice I can give
to let you guys get back to what you really want to do

make and record your music

the computer is just a tool
a compressor or plug is just a tool

your instrument is far more important
and that also includes your voice

Application, OS and Hardware is a combination
and
a working combination is what you want
upgrades have always had issues and will continue to do so
this hasn't changed ... since the early 70s or 80s when a computer at home became a possibility

the application is your tool and the OS and Harware is only there to allow the application to serve you

find a working application you like ... check the OS and Hardware and then simply ask
" I want one of those "

gdoubleyou Tue, 01/02/2007 - 13:47
Kev wrote: [quote=VonRocK]You CANNOT run OS X on a windows based machine without breaking the law.
why is that ?

if I walk into a shop and purchase a Mac OS ... say OSx
and install it on one computer
... doesn't matter if I succeed or fail ...

why can't it be the computer of my choice ?
It would ban illegal copy of the OS because you currently cannot buy a boxed version that is Intel compatible.

The only legal way to get the Intel compatible version is to buy a MacIntel.
this will chanhe when OSX.5 is released.
8)

Kev Wed, 01/03/2007 - 00:35
not an illegal copy of anything

Apple shop
purchase an OS
If I am skilled enough to put it one one computer I don't see how it can be deemed illegal

the agreement doesn't say Mac only as far as I know
it just says one computer ... ?

there was a time when Apples were not the only Mac OS capable computers

??
was it
Power Computing that was the official Mac Clone ?

Kev Thu, 01/04/2007 - 12:41
yes I know the what is said

but this was more a philosophical debate about things like patents and trademarks etc
... it would be interesting to test in a court
I don't see how Apple can go one the attack if you buy an OS and install it on a SINGLE computer of your making
OR
install it on a mainframe inside a shell of your making/writing
etc

there were non Apple machines other than Power PC (PPC)

but
in the USA anything is possible
Trademarks on words that have been in common use for years
and
Patents on combinations of components that any first year electronics student or enthusiast would do naturally
or even a procedure that is just so obvious

Pro Audio Guest Sun, 01/14/2007 - 21:33
I think it all comes down to experience. Are you going to believe a list of numbers and specifications, or somebody who has been operating the particular machine in a practical manner. I tend to take a lot more from obviously experienced users than from biased purists.

I have been running Pro Tools on a PC with an AMD Athlon 2100+ processor for 3 years now, and it has been rock solid. My roomate has a 17" Imac Duo Core, and it is extremely quiet and reliable. My PC is louder indeed, but I isolate it and it's not an issue for me. I am building a new PC because I have had positive experiences with a PC. A new PC is cheaper to build, and is totally expandable and upgradable by ME - if you open your Imac, I believe your warranty is void.
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