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Mac Viruses?

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So I noticed that Smith Micro now has an Anti-Virus software for Mac. So does this mean that someone has begun writing viruses for OS X? Who are these virus creators and why do they do it?

What I really want to know is who pays these guys to write viruses? Because, really, why would anyone write a virus? Trojans I can understand. Info snoops and identity thieves sure. But, a virus that intentionally crashes your computer? Why? Who gains anything by that? Sorry, I'm just venting, but I think if the software company's would stop paying people to write mindless viruses, we wouldn't have to buy their lame software.....uh...wait.......hmmmmm?

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Randyman... Sun, 06/17/2007 - 22:05
I skimmed over it. But I believe someone like Marc Maiffret WAY before I believe a Mac based article. Do some research on Marc Maiffret, and check out his credentials (he is big time in the corporate Security sector including the US DoD - That is as "BIG TIME" as you can get)... He speaks deep "Real-World" knowledge on ALL platforms - not just PC...

And he DOES like Mac's, he just tells it like it is (all code has bugs). And I believe him. Don't worry, Mac's will be secure as ever as long as they stay in the 5% or less marketshare...

I'm fine with dirt-cheap PC Hardware (DIY) and incredible Overclocking performance on my systems. Mac's are perfect for some - not for me.

Do what makes you happy, and I'll be happy doing what makes me happy :p Then everyone is happy!

Rock On

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hueseph Sun, 06/17/2007 - 22:47
You didn't read it. Otherwise you would really understand why Unix based platforms are virus free. That is not to say they have no vulnerabities. They do. Apple recognizes that and releases security patches accordingly. Putting on blinders because of some preconcieved ideal of whats good and bad is idiotic. Read the article and it's referrences.

I agree that you should do what you like. I use both platforms and enjoy both mac and windows for different reasons. For security mac IS superior. It just is.

The fact that you can do a fresh install of windows and before you even finish updating you can acquire a virus puts me off. It has happened to me on two seperate occasions with legal versions of windows 2000 and XP while updating.

Fortunately the fix had already been released but until my comp completed installing the "malicious software removal" I had to deal with pop ups of "you're computer may be at risk. Click here to run'bla di bla'". A true pain in the but.

OS X will not allow such a thing to occur. Period. Unless of course you do something stupid like enter a password to install a software that you didn't intentionally download.

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Randyman... Sun, 06/17/2007 - 23:06
I did skim over it, but just as I didn't scour every word, you obviously don't think Marc Maiffret knows anything at all ;)

He is handling security for the US Department of Defense amung other high-profile clients. He also knows Unix well (way better than you or I), and still mentioned that Apple's code is still just as "sloppy" as MS (they make simular mistakes), and they COULD EASILY be targets once there is a way to monetize Mac Infections (there is currently no monetary incentive for this with less than 5% marketshare). He was not dancing around the issue whatsoever (he was very direct about this fact). Now, how code could exploit Unix I don't know, but he knows about 1,000 times more than you and me combined :) . He has been hacking into systems of all kinds for a few decades until the FBI busted him IIRC. How many systems have you successfully hacked into? Who do you manage security for? I'd say he knows more than both of us...

I'll trust his real-world experience with Unix before I put on the "Mac is 100% Secure" blinders. But truth is, you ARE 100% Secure on a Mac today. The future will be a very different place if Apple does not begin to clean up their coding mistakes (that is if they remain "complacent" in their coding according to Mr Maiffret). I sincerely believe he would not risk his reputation spewing utter nonsense...

PS - The Windows SP2 Firewall (or being behind a NAT router) is all you need to avoid those Worms (Probably Sasser or Blaster) you got in the old days. My install disc is actually 95% current with updates the instant my install finishes ;)

Let's agree to wait until Mac's really ARE a target. Neither of us has a solid debate until Mac's are scrutenized as ruthlessly as PC's with a big cash incentive knocking on the door...

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hueseph Mon, 06/18/2007 - 00:02
Marc Maifrett works for eEye who make security products for Windows. Hmmmm....no bias there.

"But the business of searching for and publicizing security holes while at the same time selling the solutions is a tricky and controversial business, not unlike the model pursued by anti-virus companies. We note, for example, that eEye has yet to publicize an IIS hole that its SecureIIS product won't defeat. Their discoveries inevitably support the claim that SecureIIS is a very wise investment."

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Randyman... Mon, 06/18/2007 - 00:33
He is not selling his products to Mac based networks ;) . And his product is free for home PC users.

He has no need to make Mac's seem like they need his security products. And like I said - he mentioned he likes Mac's and is very familiar with Unix. He was careful to maintain that Mac's currently ARE secure - and I agree (again - not selling his product). But he specifically stated that Apple does have major issues with coding - issues on par with MS. These have not been exploitable yet (again - he is not selling his product here by any means), but mentioned that these coding issues could easily become issues if the right minds come together and hammer away for God knows how long. That is just not going to happen without a monetary incentive (and a very big one at that). That reward comes with more marketshare (lots more marletshare).

Sadly (again, think market share ;) ), there are probably more infected Windows machines on a single mainstream Bot Net than the entire Mac population. Why bother with Mac when Windows is literally where all of the cash is. And, TBH, this is easily avoidable on the Windows side by using sensible surfing habits (with 20 times more Windows users, they certainy get their fair share of idiot users that click "OK" on everything, D/L E-Mail attachments w/o knowing what they are, and D/L "Freeware" that is riddled with Spyware and Viri). Most savvy Windows users don't even run A/V on their primary Internet machines. My point? PC Security is all in your surfing habits, and knowing what not to do. The Mac OS essentially does all of this for the less advanced user by way of asking "is this OK?". And less advanced Mac users are still only as secure as their habits here, too...

Kind of like how the Mac commercial makes fun of Vista's UAC pop-up windows (but Mac's essentially do the same thing ;) ). I LOL'd at the "pot calling the kettle" aspect on that one :P

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Scoobie Thu, 02/22/2007 - 14:52
here's a few.........OSX/Leap-A, OSX/Oompa-A those where found back in Feb. 2006

another one...........OSX/Inqtana-A thats one was from 2005

Big_D said.........

Attacking Mac's will get you about as much attention as lighting matches and calling yourself an arsonist.

That's funny I don't care who you are.....

Peace........Scoobie

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VonRocK Sat, 10/27/2007 - 19:12
Read the whole thread, (and note that some people have deleted their ridiculous posts) and then come back here and call me a fool.

It's called sarcasm. It was the only way that the thread would die. Otherwise, we'd have windows only users making the same age old false statements about how shitty apple computers are over and over and over and over and over again, without having ANY first hand knowledge of how much better OSX is over Windows operating systems.

I await your apology.

oops, almost forgot this --> :D

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VonRocK Thu, 02/22/2007 - 21:30
Scoobie wrote: here's a few.........OSX/Leap-A, OSX/Oompa-A those where found back in Feb. 2006

This is the same item, with different names. At best you could call it a trojan that does nothing. Proof of concept, perhaps. More like a malicious application. You had to download it, uncompress it, and install it (which requires adim access and a password). This type of program can be easily written for any unix based OS.

Scoobie wrote: another one...........OSX/Inqtana-A thats one was from 2005

A blue tooth proof of concept worm that was never found in the wild.



With all due respect Big_D, can you provide a sample of just one virus for OSX?

I'm sick of this. Show us one freaking virus for Mac OSX that is out there or has been out there infecting machines that I need to run anti virus software so that I don't get infected! It does not exist. Quit making shit up!

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Big_D Fri, 02/23/2007 - 20:46
VonRocK wrote: [quote=Scoobie]here's a few.........OSX/Leap-A, OSX/Oompa-A those where found back in Feb. 2006

This is the same item, with different names. At best you could call it a trojan that does nothing. Proof of concept, perhaps. More like a malicious application. You had to download it, uncompress it, and install it (which requires adim access and a password). This type of program can be easily written for any unix based OS.

Scoobie wrote: another one...........OSX/Inqtana-A thats one was from 2005

A blue tooth proof of concept worm that was never found in the wild.



With all due respect Big_D, can you provide a sample of just one virus for OSX?

I'm sick of this. Show us one freaking virus for Mac OSX that is out there or has been out there infecting machines that I need to run anti virus software so that I don't get infected! It does not exist. Quit making shit up!
Well with all due respect Scoobie provided several examples. If your perception of them is that they are not really viruses because they don't cause real harm so be it but they do exist. "Proof of concept" as you call it is exactly that and concept has a way of becoming reality.

The Leap.A (aka Oompa-Loompa) infects applications in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) running on PowerPC processors. Upon infection, Leap.A (aka Oompa-Loompa) sends itself to the infected user's contacts via iChat.

Sure sounds like a virus to me and it doesn't require you to "download it, uncompress it, and install it " as you claim. Here's the link on it
http://antivirus.about.com/od/macintoshresource/p/oompa.htm
Now who's "making shit up"?

Would you still call it "Proof of concept" if it were a PC running Windows? I doubt it.

Exactly what is it your sick of? I know I'm sick of the Apple ads that perpetuate PC/MAC stereotypes from the 80's? Do you believe those ads?

The point of my original post was to show that all platforms are vulnerable to attack, not to debate viral symantecs. Windows is attacked because it is the Big Dog like it or not.

I happen to like all kinds of computers but I'm not foolish enough to think that any of them are invulnerable. You shouldn't either.

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freesignal Wed, 03/14/2007 - 19:43
VonRocK wrote: You are correct. I am wrong. I apologize for my incessant mac ranting. I just wanted to justify spending a boatload more money for such a virused piece of junk operating system running on hardware that I could have got at half the price (not to mention all the FREE(ahem) software!), so I was trying to take it out on you.


I realize the error of my ways and will be switching back to windows right away. I can hardly wait to try out VISTA!

Macs are way more expensive. They have NO software. THEY GET HACKED ALL THE TIME!!!! and generally just suck. Nothing just works.


Remember, if you want to do any audio recording at all, DON'T get a mac.


Oh, yeah, and to answer the original question. YES! THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF VIRUSES FOR THE MAC. I can only find one trojan that couldnt actually do anything, but that's close enough. Everbody else keeps warning me about them all. SO after a year of running this mac without a fire wall or antivirus software, I figure I'd better get smart and ace this machine for a really secure virus free operating system like Windows Vista.

I am also a Mac user since May of 2006. I would like to say thanks to Vonrock for opening my eyes so that I can now see the errors of my ways. I'm going to take this iMac to the dumpster immediately after this message. Damn it's convienent all-in-one design and light weight that makes it to where I only have to make one trip down the 3 flights of stairs and 100 feet from my apartment to the dumpster. Thanks again Vonrock, you are a lifesaver!

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VonRocK Fri, 02/23/2007 - 22:05
You are correct. I am wrong. I apologize for my incessant mac ranting. I just wanted to justify spending a boatload more money for such a virused piece of junk operating system running on hardware that I could have got at half the price (not to mention all the FREE(ahem) software!), so I was trying to take it out on you.


I realize the error of my ways and will be switching back to windows right away. I can hardly wait to try out VISTA!

Macs are way more expensive. They have NO software. THEY GET HACKED ALL THE TIME!!!! and generally just suck. Nothing just works.


Remember, if you want to do any audio recording at all, DON'T get a mac.


Oh, yeah, and to answer the original question. YES! THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF VIRUSES FOR THE MAC. I can only find one trojan that couldnt actually do anything, but that's close enough. Everbody else keeps warning me about them all. SO after a year of running this mac without a fire wall or antivirus software, I figure I'd better get smart and ace this machine for a really secure virus free operating system like Windows Vista.

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VonRocK Thu, 06/21/2007 - 12:46
Are you Mark Maiffret?

So, is this is the part where we all wait around a couple of years and see if you get to say, "I told you so"?

It is not going to happen. I'm sure that you'll blame lack of cash incentive and small market share for the sky not falling on mac users two years from now also.

Mark caused the USAF to shut down by claiming the sky was falling before.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/07/20/internet_survives_code_red/

He also must give out free BJs the way you talk about him. I don't doubt his skills and knowledge whatsoever. I've just been listening to all this Fear, Uncertainty, and Death talk ever since I made the switch to the mac over a year ago.

I'm not going to stop using my (in my opinion) superior OS because you said that some guy said that Macs MAY be in for some trouble sometime in the future. The sky is NOT falling dude.

Now please go back to isolating yourself from the real world and run your firewalls and antivirus software and adware and spyware cleaning solutions, while I safely surf for porn with my DAW in between mixing sessions. I'll let you know if I pick up a virus.


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