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Bob Ludwig

i hear so much about him and when i look at his client list it's like war and peace, but what is it that makes him so good? I heard two different albums of a band, one mastered by bob and the earlier album was someone else, and all i could tell was that bob cranked it really loud and it was less open than the earlier album(but of course it would sound good on the radio...yippie). I really prefered the earlier guy the band got that gave them a more open dynamic album. This is only one instance of his work, but is this generally the case? Do people go to him for a hot mix?

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audiowkstation Fri, 06/29/2001 - 20:27

I believe in the Golden rule...He who has the gold...makes the rule...But...Bumping a client that is already scedualed is bad buisness. I would never schedual something that I cannot pull off. I have had clients schedualed 2 months in advance and had to turn down other gigs because of it...but that is the way the ball bounces...You win some..you lose some...but never do they get "rained out".

Jon Best Fri, 06/29/2001 - 20:48

An interesting point- when you schedule that far into the the future, are you taking deposits?

Originally posted by Bill Roberts:
I believe in the Golden rule...He who has the gold...makes the rule...But...Bumping a client that is already scedualed is bad buisness. I would never schedual something that I cannot pull off. I have had clients schedualed 2 months in advance and had to turn down other gigs because of it...but that is the way the ball bounces...You win some..you lose some...but never do they get "rained out".

audiowkstation Fri, 06/29/2001 - 21:35

I do take deposits. A flat retainer. We really never know how long a project may take as it depends on the mix...etc.

IF the client keeps open communication, the schedual "can" vary and I can open slots up.

One thing I really dislike is to have to travel to another studio to do a mix that was schedualed 2 months in advance and it keeps getting bumped up. Meanwhile I am idle because I have not schedualed anything at the mastering facility for that period.

Deposits take care of many problems. I have a trip to Hollywood that was supposed to happen in March. It is still unschedualed. Until I get a retainer for that project, my schedual is open. In order to do the Hollywood project, I will need a retainer and 10 days notice. I cannot afford to wait for them nor can I afford to tie up my facility without money changing hands and contract. Someone has to help me pay the bills!!

It is just good business.

So far..no problems.

audiowkstation Sat, 06/30/2001 - 20:20

....Err, Thanks there Mark!....(excuses excuses...)

I should have typed it in "Word" and spell checked it...(spelling is not one of my strong areas...)

Many thanks for the correction.

Eric Sarafin Sat, 06/30/2001 - 20:41

Originally posted by Jon Best:
An interesting point- when you schedule that far into the the future, are you taking deposits?

For me, I take deposits on projects booked in advnce. But I don't master, I either record or mix. So if a project bails on me at the last minute I lose between a couple of weeks to a couple of months depending on the project.

I don't hold time for anybody without the money. If they can't give me a deposit, it's because they can't guarantee the time will be used, or they can't guarantee that I will do it.

Eric Sarafin

blund Sun, 07/01/2001 - 14:00

Bob is a God among mastering engineers, if you studied his list of clients you'd notice that anybody who is anybody uses Bob. Also, you ought to check out his gateway studio, man what a piece of work. The stands that hold his monitors are completly isolated and run all the way down to bedrock, now that's paying attention to detail.

bigtree Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:41

Mixerman, post: 32889 wrote: Actually, loud _doesn't_ sound better on the radio. That's a myth. Listen for yourself, the dynamic music sounds better on the radio.

Louder isn't better. It mushes up the bottom, and removes all depth and impact from mixes.

Mixerman

Interesting reading this old post from that past. Yet we're trying to make it louder and louder.

Big K Sun, 02/27/2011 - 05:08

Dear Herbeck

It is always fun to discuss things with you!
Please, be so kind and add some info to your profile, as to gear and maybe ..age and location?

Massive Mastering Sun, 02/27/2011 - 09:51

Herbeck, post: 365239 wrote: ME's keeps on fighting there little wars, both in forums and on loudness.
Always blaming someone else.

I don't know of a single mastering engineer that wants to participate in the 'volume war' -- You bet your a$$ we're blaming someone else -- This has always been a pissing contest between artists and labels. The public never asked for it - Mastering engineers never wanted it. We're working "under protest" more than not.

OBVIOUSLY, we need to roll with it to some extent (or we lose our jobs). But you can't drop a sentence like that without a complete misunderstanding of the industry as it is...

Herbeck Sun, 02/27/2011 - 14:10

I think that you are absolutely right.
But I also think that there is an option.
If you take Bob Katz and for example Chris Athens, both very good ME's.
They probably get very different kind off music and different demands on how loud it should be.

There is a lot of non mainstream music that don't care about the loudness war at all.
Chose to work with them, less money but more fun.

Cheers,

Herbeck

Big K Mon, 02/28/2011 - 01:19

You are not running your own business, are you? Millionarer? Starvation Artist?...LOL...

We fight on the good side and win small battles every day...the war is not lost, yet.
Bob and Chris are doing it not much differently to us and will make it loud, as well, if requested.
Unlike some less gifted colleagues, they can make it sound loud AND good. So do we...

And you would be amazed how fast you have a multitude of complaining customers on your heels when you deliver a master that is not on par with the mainstream productions of its genre. Sure, they don't care about loudness, as long as it is there... They might just give the horse another name.

TrilliumSound Mon, 02/28/2011 - 05:46

Just finished another CD for a new unattended client. The FIRST things they have said and ask was: "A little punchier and clearer and PLEASE don't make it LOUD as we are not into this LOUDNESS war!" . When the Mastering was done and they heard it, they have said: "WOW, it's sounds great. Now could you make it louder so it can compete with other CD's?"

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Herbeck Mon, 02/28/2011 - 06:14

Big K, post: 365297 wrote: they can make it sound loud AND good. So do we...

It's weird to see ME's doing these kind of "advertising" statements all the time,
and still claim that they are not part of the problem.

Cheers,

Herbeck

Big K Mon, 02/28/2011 - 14:38

Slowly I develope a kind of dislike against you...
It is obvious that you misinterpret our posts on purpose.
It is either because you are lacking insight and knowledge or you just want to muck around.
Please, give us some verifiable info about your professional background, for us to see how seriously we can take your contributions, at all.

Big K Mon, 02/28/2011 - 14:59

Hello Trillium

Exactly... This is the common reaction of "we don't care about loud" customers when presented with a master of wonderful dynamic and smooth sound, albeit less massive and not as llloudd.
At least, chances are good that we get granted to be a little easier on the dynamic of the material. It is much nicer to listen to for certain genres.

Herbeck Mon, 02/28/2011 - 18:15

Big K, post: 365341 wrote: Slowly I develope a kind of dislike against you...
It is obvious that you misinterpret our posts on purpose.
It is either because you are lacking insight and knowledge or you just want to muck around.
Please, give us some verifiable info about your professional background, for us to see how seriously we can take your contributions, at all.

I was just trying to make my point clear.
When business and music mix together there is always compromises.
And when the emphases is to much on the business part, it all gets f**ked up.

Cheers,

Herbeck

bigtree Mon, 02/28/2011 - 20:58

Herbeck, post: 365350 wrote: I was just trying to make my point clear.
When business and music mix together there is always compromises.
And when the emphases is to much on the business part, it all gets f**ked up.

Cheers,

Herbeck

Point well taken, the problem between life and survival. The lucky ones are the ones that never have to compromise honor and principle over money.