... as a console replacement for in-the-box-mixing - what do you pros recommend or what pres have you heard about?
preferably at least 8 channels, quality before bargain!
i have the impression the market is lacking such devices in proportion to the number of DAW-users.
or am i just badly informed?
How much dough you got? You said quality over bargain, so what about an SSL? A lot of folks in the big leagues come out of a DAW and mix on an SSL. Great automation, dynamics, EQ, routing, etc.
yep, reggie, that might be a nice solution for the future!
but for now I'd rather spend my money on pres only, have the capability of high quality tracking and try to do without the luxury of analog mixing til then.
I run guitars, vocals and bass through single/dual channel pres, so I'd use them primarily for recording drums.
edit:
i have to correct myself: quality over bargain, but not over financial ruin :shock: 8)
Hey, I just got a Mackie 800R just for drums and I think it sounds great. It's only a grand too. I'm running 8 mics. D112 and 57 on kick, all toms and snare 57's and some 2 LDC overheads. Some might consider this budget gear but again, it sounds great and extremley quiet. good luck
Check out the 8-channel micpres from Universal Audio, SPL, CraneSong, API (and others) lunchboxes, Millennia, True Systems, Grace Design, and many others I am forgetting. Yep, lotta multichannel micpres out there.
McCheese wrote: Cucco, have you used the UA 8110/4110? If so, how are they in relation to API 512's? Anything even close?
In truth, I have not. I only have a colleague who has spent a little time with them and he was blown away as he put it. Since I trust his opinion as we have similar tastes, I feel okay recommending it and even pining after it. I will find out for you how they relate to the 512s. Based on his description, I would think not.
My impression from what he described would be much more along the lines of the Jensen TwinServo on the "thick" side of the house (ie - not that thick but a very good - detailed sound) and on the clean side (since it is switchable) similar to the cleanest of the Neves or even a tube millennia. In any case, the descriptions were all positive.
You never answered the question about how much money you have to spend, but on the midrange scale I've heard some great stuff tracked through the Octopre (8 channels). From female vocals to acoustic guitar to upright piano, I was fairly impressed. There are better options of course but for the price, the Octopre has a really decent sound IMO.
Sounds like a lunchbox set-up is what you're wanting. For drums, it really doesnt get any better than API's. Old School Audio would also be a good choice.
The clone market is heavy with contenders. A lot of folks balk at the thought that "They just dont sound the same as my original @*****.... Once they get over themselves, they realize that while the clone isnt the same as the original, its usually a damn good piece of kit and usable in every way.
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How much dough you got? You said quality over bargain, so what
How much dough you got? You said quality over bargain, so what about an SSL? A lot of folks in the big leagues come out of a DAW and mix on an SSL. Great automation, dynamics, EQ, routing, etc.
Edit: Here is something cool you could look into:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Calrec-vintage-console-replaced-Neve-at-BBC-awsome_W0QQitemZ7358993691QQcategoryZ23785QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
yep, reggie, that might be a nice solution for the future! but
yep, reggie, that might be a nice solution for the future!
but for now I'd rather spend my money on pres only, have the capability of high quality tracking and try to do without the luxury of analog mixing til then.
I run guitars, vocals and bass through single/dual channel pres, so I'd use them primarily for recording drums.
edit:
i have to correct myself: quality over bargain, but not over financial ruin :shock: 8)
Hey, I just got a Mackie 800R just for drums and I think it soun
Hey, I just got a Mackie 800R just for drums and I think it sounds great. It's only a grand too. I'm running 8 mics. D112 and 57 on kick, all toms and snare 57's and some 2 LDC overheads. Some might consider this budget gear but again, it sounds great and extremley quiet. good luck
Check out the 8-channel micpres from Universal Audio, SPL, Crane
Check out the 8-channel micpres from Universal Audio, SPL, CraneSong, API (and others) lunchboxes, Millennia, True Systems, Grace Design, and many others I am forgetting. Yep, lotta multichannel micpres out there.
SSL makes 4-packs of 9000 series pres. It doesn't get more 'cons
SSL makes 4-packs of 9000 series pres. It doesn't get more 'console' than that.
My favorites in some particular order: Grace 801/802 Buzz UA M
My favorites in some particular order:
Grace 801/802
Buzz
UA
Millennia
True
Crane Song
SPL
Benchmark
Focusrite (ISA/Red - NOT Platinum!!!)
I'm sure there's a few I've forgotten, but this is a pretty decent list. None of these pres are crap and many are just damn fine!
J.
Cucco, have you used the UA 8110/4110? If so, how are they in re
Cucco, have you used the UA 8110/4110? If so, how are they in relation to API 512's? Anything even close?
McCheese wrote: Cucco, have you used the UA 8110/4110? If so, ho
In truth, I have not. I only have a colleague who has spent a little time with them and he was blown away as he put it. Since I trust his opinion as we have similar tastes, I feel okay recommending it and even pining after it. I will find out for you how they relate to the 512s. Based on his description, I would think not.
My impression from what he described would be much more along the lines of the Jensen TwinServo on the "thick" side of the house (ie - not that thick but a very good - detailed sound) and on the clean side (since it is switchable) similar to the cleanest of the Neves or even a tube millennia. In any case, the descriptions were all positive.
I'm hoping to try one soon though.
J.
You never answered the question about how much money you have to
You never answered the question about how much money you have to spend, but on the midrange scale I've heard some great stuff tracked through the Octopre (8 channels). From female vocals to acoustic guitar to upright piano, I was fairly impressed. There are better options of course but for the price, the Octopre has a really decent sound IMO.
On the cheap side, I've heard good stuff tracked with the Mackie
On the cheap side, I've heard good stuff tracked with the Mackie Onyx pres. Comes in 8-channel preamp only rackmount or you can get one of the mixers.
Sounds like a lunchbox set-up is what you're wanting. For drums,
Sounds like a lunchbox set-up is what you're wanting. For drums, it really doesnt get any better than API's. Old School Audio would also be a good choice.
The clone market is heavy with contenders. A lot of folks balk at the thought that "They just dont sound the same as my original @*****.... Once they get over themselves, they realize that while the clone isnt the same as the original, its usually a damn good piece of kit and usable in every way.
thx guys! this might be the opportunity to finally buy and star
thx guys!
this might be the opportunity to finally buy and start filling a lunchbox
API calls it a lunchbox, but by the time you fill it up it is a
API calls it a lunchbox, but by the time you fill it up it is a full on yummy dinner meal!
DaGaff and DaDogg share the same feeling and taste on the pre's
DaGaff and DaDogg share the same feeling and taste on the pre's from API.... :D
If it doesnt sound good with an API and a decent mic, then you better back up and work out the problem on the source....