Used Toft ATB 24...
I am about to buy this but dont know as well as others here how much this is worth, considering there are multiple versions and its modified. Please let me know potential issues with what i am about to paste per owners description and $ its worth. Thank you!
"it's been completely recapped with beefier Panasonic caps everywhere, it's not the latest model with all the I/O, the inserts have been hard bybassed, the monitor section is basically worthless also, the whole mix used to have to pass through the entire monitor switching section and i wasn't using it for monitoring so i just hard bypassed it. it comes with the meter bridge and the argosy desk, parting with it cause mixing in the box now and it just collects dust. The inserts on channels 9 and 10 i believe are still in tact, and the master insert is still intact and has a bypass switch now also, (before it was always inserted) can get photos. "
They have lots of I/O and as far as I know always have had......a really good sounding medium level mixer. Better than my Ghost in some ways.......
I would be careful If they have made all these changes to something that hasnt been in release for very long.
If this is one from the first batch Dave (4 years ago), you think it was recapped because of issues or he really thought they could be improved?. I know, just making educated assumptions but i trust you and others here versus the salesman thats selling it. I noticed the faders are yellow too, newer ones are white. Oh what do you think he means by bypassing the monitor section and inserts?. Does this mean internally or with a user feature?. I will shoot a email to Toft support as well to get any info but appreciate any opinions or expertise on you recording vets. ;)
Im thinking i will get some of that stoner rock punch and mid range (Queens of the Stone Age etc.) that originated from of our desert scene here with this mixer... After i log several hours into it of course.
Just guessing, but I wouldn't think the insert bypass would be hard to undo. The monitor section bypass is the one I'd be most worried about.
As far as it's value given it's age and modifications, that's harder to say. New with a meter bridge the Toft retailed for around $6700, the Argosy 50 series desk specifically for the Toft (no sidecar racks) well over a grand.
Since you want to use the pres AND remix you're going to have to have the second bus for monitoring the input FROM the PT. Not a big deal going in but a really big deal coming out and going back in.
These boards were made for this. In fact, probably the first major release for analog to digital and the precurser to compact mixers like the newest Neve and API's and the cut-down SSL. Really, before this one, you had all the mid-range stuff, Soundcraft, Mackie, a lot of higher end broadcast boards, etc etc...and though very usable in the right hands, not a lot to be said for the sonics (I do get by with my old Ghost)...The Toft's are all about that real clean upfront pres and really really good EQ and just an overall great sounding compact mixer. At only four years, its probably the thought that you could extend the headroom and the soundfield a bit with recapping. Certainly not failures....I'm thinking originally they were decent quality components.
You will certainly get a lot of miles/dollar with a properly set-up and maintained Toft. I like em a lot and would have one except its almost a side-wise jump for what I have now. If I was to get something new it would have to be something old. A-Range Trident, Harrison, Even a Sony/MCI with a bunch of John Hardy's in the pre section.
Let us know how it goes and how it sounds.
BTW....Look up the Sound on Sound review from 2008. It is very clear on the 'monitor' path as originally intended. It could be what the variation is on this one.....
"to undo everything would really just be a lot of work, the insert bypass on the channel is just a jumper wire so you would just have to reconnect the traces, i'm not sure what brand the original caps are or how much they'd cost but the new caps are way better than the originals. it definitely sounds better than the original setup, the guys at toft had to check it out once for what turned out to be a faulty power cable and they thought the mod was awesome"
The monitor section I'm not as clear on what he bypassed, why he did it, and how. A board of that caliber is going to be modular and have a dedicated circuit board for most functions. I've got nothing to base this on, but I still have a hunch it's a wiring harness re-routing signal rather than modified traces. Or again, it could be a simple jumper wire(s) that hardwire bypasses a switch. I'm just unclear on whether he bypassed the inline monitoring return on each input, the switch in the master section, or both.
In any case, if you got a good price - you should be very happy. Nice mixer, nice desk.
"If you wanted to use all the inserts on the desk, then yes.
the reason i took out the inserts is cause they were unbalanced, and it makes for better signal path with balanced gear since you can just patch out of pro tools into your outboard and then into the line in of the channel. going from pro tools to the desk to outboard and back makes less sense because 1) the inserts on the desk are not balanced and most outboard gear is, so a more efficient way to connect it would be before audio even hits the channel and 2) even if you are using the inserts on the desk, the eq always comes after the insert, there is no way to put the eq before the insert, it is always last. the only reason i left 9/10 was because i had unbalanced compressors that i had inserted across those channels. so unless you had a ton of unbalanced stuff i would say just leave it how it is now and patch from DAW to outboard and then into desk. this also is less noisy since all the signals are balanced.
yea power supply is good, the monitoring section was a pretty interesting deign they had going, if i switched sources to the 2 track mix instead of the monitor mix, if i had nothing playing through the 2 track mix, the desk output would still bleed into the speakers. basically i just took all that out so that no switches or poor grounds could mess with the audio signal and i bought a central station. it has a digital input so if you want to feed your mix back into pro tools and don't have any extra analog outputs, you can just use something like the SPDIF output to monitor your mix and then you don't lose any outputs for channels."
Do you have the schematics?
Your correspondent is mistaken about the postion of the EQ. As long as the "EQ to Mon" switch is in the input and not the tape return position, the EQ is positioned before the insert point. This is not normal practice, but at least it can be switched out of circuit for recording.