2nd track from Who We Are's last Thursday's session: Happens

[kevinwhitect]

https://soundcloud.com/kevin-white-2%2Fhappens-every-time-1
Any/all comments warmly welcomed and appreciated ...

 

[pcrecord]

Hi Kevin, again another great song, you guys rock !!!

Mix wise, I don't know if it is too much compression or the convertion, but it sounds a bit low fi and lifeless
The orgue and distortion guitar are great the accoustic seems to miss certain frequencies..
The drum sounds boxy and too far in the mix.. make it dance man !
Are you mixing at very high volume ?

 

[kevinwhitect]

Yep ... Tough mix.

Very dense.

Recorded same night after "Feeling Low".

As always ... I mix at EVERY volume.

 

[pcrecord]

I'm sure you'll get it right

 

[Smashh]

great song and performance Kev .
Check this out for your drums . I used it on a track and really like it .

 

[kevinwhitect]

Update ... (New file on SC above also) ...

 

[kevinwhitect]

great song and performance Kev .
Check this out for your drums . I used it on a track and really like it .

I will, bud -- and Thanks! I actually have those Wave plugs ...

 

[pcrecord]

Update ... (New file on SC above also) ...

Wow, it's a lot better Kevin.. I now hear the drum and the overall balances is way better.. also you let more dynamics happen and it's a blast how better it sound.
I don't quite like the ride and hihat sound but I'm sure it's the actual instrument (nothing you can do there)
I really like how much you are a good sport when posting stuff here.. I enjoy being a spectator of your evolution

 

[kevinwhitect]

I've LONG trusted the ears, and used the advice of folks on these forums, bud. I LEARNED how to do what I can do now (and I'm still learning) and more importantly, WHY, I do what I do now ... from the learned folks who chat here and other places. I used to talk all the time ... back at the dawn of the net, w/ professional engineers and producers ... including folks like Al Schmitt -- who chatted on a now defunct site called "Artistpro" that was affiliated with Electronic Musician ... back in the mid-90s. It was great until the internet trolls started arguing with them, and they stopped talking.

But to the point of continuing to learn, I employed the technique suggested by Smashh above on the drums ... and I think they do sound better. Plus, we had another recording session last night to track another piece, and my bass player asked me to dial in a few tonal options on some amp modeling plugs ... and he settled on a new unique sound to the piece ... which then required me to remix again. This is the result and up to date version as of this morning.

 

[pcrecord]

One aspect that I'm more aware than before is to reduce phase problemes with mic placement.
Moving the overheads and or room mics a few inches can sometime do a big difference.

 

[kevinwhitect]

One aspect that I'm more aware than before is to reduce phase problemes with mic placement.
Moving the overheads and or room mics a few inches can sometime do a big difference.

There ARE some slight phase issues in the overheads ... I'll see if I can move phase around slightly to minimize.

 

[bouldersound]

How are you micing the drums? I've mostly been using coincident overheads for the last few years. I time align them by sliding the overheads to the left to match the snare up, then slide the kick and toms to match their arrivals at the overhead. You can't do that quite as well with spaced overheads because the arrival times in the overheads don't match up. Of course it's not the right sound for everything but it is generally cleaner than a spaced pair.

 

[kevinwhitect]

How are you micing the drums? I've mostly been using coincident overheads for the last few years. I time align them by sliding the overheads to the left to match the snare up, then slide the kick and toms to match their arrivals at the overhead. You can't do that quite as well with spaced overheads because the arrival times in the overheads don't match up. Of course it's not the right sound for everything but it is generally cleaner than a spaced pair.

OHs are a spaced pair ... centered (or so I thought) on the center of the snare. I discovered later that my drummer moved one slightly on the second song (this one).

 

[audiokid]

It was great until the internet trolls started arguing with them, and they stopped talking

Indeed. I recall