Looking for GREAT vox Mic pre

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josh R

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I'm looking to buy a really good mic pre for vocals and occasionally Rhodes/guitars, or maybe horns.
I have U87 and RME converter to ProTools TDM.
I mainly do Hip Hop/ RnB.
Looking to spen $2000-$5000.
Wondering abut channel strips, familiar with Avalon 737 and have used one for several projects but feel like I can do better. Or any good Mic pre/Comp matches.
Any Input GREATLY appreciated. Just want to see what people are using out there.
Thanks,
josh
 
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Marcus Black

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I think a lot of the RnB-people use the Avalon which is a very nice pre.

Myself I´m very, very satisfied with my vintagedesign ca73, Neve 1073-clones (wonderfully made by Thomas Kristiansson featuring St. Ive´s transformers and all the goodies that a 1073 is supposed to have. Pure class A, with attitude, and 80 db of gain :) Check out www.vintagedesign.tk).

Since you seem to have a good budget you can also check out Manley, seems to me that they are pretty popular along the RnB people aswell.

Focusrite ISA 430 is also very nice. And Calrec RQP 3200.

These I have used and can highly recommend. Then I know that there are a lot of new, nice pres out there that you´re gonna get recommended to buy, but I haven´t tried them so I´ll leave those out.

Happy pre-hunting !
 

AudioGaff

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I not a fan of the Avalon 737, but it is a standard for hop and rap. For an all in one box I have had great sucess with the Manley Vbox, AMEK/Neve CIB, and the API 7600. I'm also pretty fond of my Focusrite Red-7. The Focusrite ISA 230 or 430 are as good or better with eq and more features. The new Chandler stuff is worth checking out. The DW Fearn has an awesome, big beautiful tone that is unmatched.
 

sdelsolray

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Originally posted by DrTeeth:
I'm looking to buy a really good mic pre for vocals and occasionally Rhodes/guitars, or maybe horns.
I have U87 and RME converter to ProTools TDM.
I mainly do Hip Hop/ RnB.
Looking to spen $2000-$5000.
Wondering abut channel strips, familiar with Avalon 737 and have used one for several projects but feel like I can do better. Or any good Mic pre/Comp matches.
Any Input GREATLY appreciated. Just want to see what people are using out there.
Thanks,
josh
For channel strips:
Pendulum Quartet
Manley VoxBox
Millennia SST-1
Groove Tubes Vipre

For straight pres:
DW Fearn
Neve clones
Pendulum MDP-1 (A, B or C)

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Stephen Boyke
 
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RinnyTin

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I have the Avalon, and for the money, I don't think there's a better mic pre/compressor/eq out there. However, for vocals, it's pretty slow, between the tube mic pre and the slow attack of the compressor, it's not ideal for every situation. For $5K you could get something like a Summit or Tube Tech stereo compressor and then a great solid state mic pre like the John Hardy or the Great River, this would give you more flexibility, you could use the compressor for mono or stereo tracking chores, then again for mixing or on the 2-bus or whatever. Just 2 cents.
 

Kurt Foster

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If I had to choose an all in one, does everything box, I would go for the Millennia STT-1 ORIGIN. It has an instrument di that is switchable between tube or solid-state, with an input transformer that may be in or out of the signal input path, is switchable between solid state or tube mic pres, again with a transformer that can be in or out of the input path, a four band parametric eq that is also switchable between tube or solid state topology and an OPTO (my favorite type) compressor that again is switchable between tube or solid state. It may be employed with any of the sections together or individually. The thing is built like a tank, looks and sounds great! The OPTO comp is one of the best I have ever heard (and I have a Manley EL OP and a pair of LA4's and have in the past, owned LA3a's and an LA2a). All that for under $3000! I reviewed one here in the RO E Mag and I absolutely loved it! I cannot think of any other "all in one" pre box that has the flexibility or the features that the ORIGIN has. Best bang for the buck IMO! Kurt
 
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broonsbane

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If you don't mind spending the money . . .

I'd have to say a Groove Tubes Vipre for the mic pre and a Tube Tech CL-1B for a compressor. You won't find much of a better match anywhere.

It'll pretty much take most of your budget, but you said 2-5.
 

AudioGaff

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Originally posted by MHanson:
I'd have to say a Groove Tubes Vipre for the mic pre and a Tube Tech CL-1B for a compressor. You won't find much of a better match anywhere.
Oh, I don't know about that. That is is a very, very good combo. I'd match you a DW Fearn and a Manley Mono Vari-Mu or the Martech with an Atomic Squeeze Box.
 
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denial

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For Vox:

Both the Groove Tubes VIPRE or a Telefunken V76 would be my pre choice and either an LA2A or 1176 for compression. However I really love an API 512c pre and 525 compressor (525 is the best kept secret in audio). On the other hand I'm equally at home with a Neve 1073 and LA2A.

If you're looking at channel strips then I'd take a close look at the API 7600 for an excellent all in one box.

I've never found much use for the Avalon 737. The pre lacks any sign of a tube (character) and the compressor is pretty much useless. The EQ is quite good. My personal preference is their solid state 2000 series gear. It's more open and deep if that makes any sense.
 
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Robert Sands

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What do you think of the UA 6176? I recently bought it and I'm loving the way my Soundelux E47 sounds thru it. If I wanted to get one more pre and mic what do you think would complement that? I'm thinking about a Soundelux Elux 251 and the Amek Pure Path Channel in a Box which is like having a channel from their super high end 9098i console. I have their 9098 compressor and love it. I'm thinking that the Amek and the Elux251 would be enough of a different sound from the UA and E47 so that I could cover alot of territory sonically. But I'm looking for opinions so let me know your thoughts and suggestions. I don't have an LA2A except with my UAD1 which sounds great but I do have the 1176 in the 6176, so do you think that I'm covered in so far as compressing the vocal in that world class kind of way?
Thanks, Robert
 

AudioGaff

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The UA 6176 is at the top of my wish list. I have two of the AMEK/Neve PurePath CIB and it is a great unit. The mic pre is not quite as plain as the regular 9098 as it is a bit more detailed and more musical sounding. It lacks any real character considering it has the Neve name. I got mine just for the eq which is just awesome and again more flexable and musical sounding than the eq in the 9089 mic-pre/eq unit. The compressor in the CIB disapoints me thou. It works well and does it's job, but I was hoping it had some balls to it as well as having more of an edge.

Any of the newer 251 mics from Lawson, Soundelux or Telefunkin are just such a sweet and great sound. I was at a shootout where all three got compared and they were all pretty much the same and left us all drooling. The mics from Brauner are top notch as well. VM1 KHE or VM1A. Very rich sounding with a nice extended top end.

Like many before me, I'm a big API and old Neve fan so I'm kind of partial to them. They have a great and classic sound. For my remote rack I carry an API 512C & 525, Brent Averil 1272 and Manley Vari-Mu, Neotek MicMAX and dbx 160S and those cover all the bases for me on remote recording or FOH gigs. These get used for pretty much anything like drums, vocals, guitars and bass.

Are you looking for something real clean and detailed or something with more color? Are you looking for a an all-in-one-box or just a mic pre? For the real clean and detailed stuff there is the Great River, Grace, John Hardy, Millennia-Media, Martech, the AMEK/Neve 9098 regular or PurePath versions and others I forgetting right now.
 
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