Paris cheaper than RADAR.....

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bhenderson

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Originally posted by Sir Bob:
More questions:

Does the RADAR package come with a mix board?

I take it that in mixing, you send an analog signal to a bus/insert and add your compression and/reverb just like analog mixing?

Where do you send the final two-channel mix? Do you bounce within RADAR or do you send it out to something like a Masterlink or DAT for a final mix?

What is the method of saving sessions?

As to portability, can I rack it up and take it into a recording studio (where I want to track drums)?

While Alishad might have the edge in editing ability, I would definately buy a PARIS if I felt the audio was superior.

Fletcher's success with RADAR included use of
GLM EQ and Fatso. To what extent will I need more than good mics and preamps to get a good sound with RADAR?

And what about ( :roll: ) midi? Just in case I want to put some primative keyboard on?
Mixer?
RADAR is a 24 channel hard disk recorder like a 2" tape machine. It has tons of editing but no mixer. You would put RADAR together with a Protools system or a dedicated digital or analog mixer.

Final Mix?
Alot of people reserve tracks 23 and 24 for the mix back from the mixer.

Saving Sessions?
RADAR "saves" or writes sessions to the audio drive. If you mean backup, you can backup onto a built in DVD RAM drive, the internal IDE drive, a network or an external SCSI device such as another SCSI hard disk or tape drive. The backup procedure is easy. Just press a button called "Backup" RADAR takes care of all the file management for you.

Portability?
RADAR is a standard 19" rack unit, completely self contained including VGA monitor output, no external computer required. It is great on the road or for taking from studio to studio.

Sound?
The best sound. You won't need anything but a good mic, a room and some musicians to get good sound on RADAR.

MIDI?
No built-in MIDI sequencer yet, although we've thought about it many times. My first product was the Anatek Pocket Sequencer - a full 16 track sequencer in a little box that sold for $150.
http://www.keyboardmuseum.com/ar/a/anat/seq.html
Do you think alot of people would go for that in a pro recorder? Most people just hook up their favorite sequencer to RADAR's MIDI port.
 
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bhenderson

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Originally posted by owen muir:
paris sounds great, but it's a bitch. crashes alot, unless you are really good at it, and it still does sometimes. the mixer sounds good, but sending audio in and out for the mixer produces some unplesant latency [which i don't think you can fix entirely, i've tried...correct me if i am wrong].

it is most definately cheaper than radar though. and you do need a board, i believe.

--owen
How much is a fully loaded Paris with 24 channels of analog I/O? Have you seen our new version of RADAR -> "RADAR 24 Project" it sells for only $5999 as a complete system.
 
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ironsheik

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Hi Barry,
I am very intrigued by the new RADAR 24 as I will be ready for an upgrade in the Fall from my simple 8 channel setup and outdated software. The price is now comparable to what I would need for 16 channels of decent AD/DA (RME), new sound card, computer, and software which definately has me me leaning towards RADAR.
Now a comment:
I've been looking at your site and reading as much as I could about the different systems. The one thing I came away with is that the site is not all that helpful. It's a bit convoluted and on the front page RADAR 24 is described as having:
- 48 kHz Classic analog I/O
- KC-24 remote controller
- 40G internal IDE recording HD
- Ethernet, IDE & ext. SCSI backup
(Add DVD-RAM backup for $695.00!)
but on the infomation page the features say DVD-RAM is standard, doesn't mention the IDE drive, and mentions the Analog I/O as an option. Please clear this up because if the Analog I/O is not included in the $5995 price (listed at $5690 on the info page!) the price comparison I mentioned before, is much different. Thanks in advance for clearing this up. Maybe I'm just not seeing things right but does anyone else feel the same about the site?
JC
 
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stedel

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Originally posted by Julian Standen:
How about some sort of Pro Tools compatable 'time stamping' so we could just yank a SCSI hotswap drive out of a Radar unit and slam it into a PT rig without having to fanny around with a real time transfer (Yawn!) and 24 tracks (at a time) of AES interface ports.
The new little Tascam unit does this and folks love it for that, I am pointing my "in the field" clients towards Tascam for this very reason..

Barry?
I am so obtuse sometimes Barry. Please, forgive me, for really dumb Stedel's...was that a "Yes" to Julian's question? :(

"we could just yank a SCSI hotswap drive out of a Radar unit and slam it into a PT rig without having to fanny around with a real time transfer (Yawn!) and 24 tracks (at a time) of AES interface ports".

How long does it take?

And this 96kHz thing...if you don't mind me asking, when are you going higher, or don't you see the need?

A simple "yes we have plans to do this by" or "no we don't see the need"for the 96kHz thing would be really nice. Nothing too complicated. I've got AD/
DA conversion fatique.

I was giving Radar a good look over last year.Was very interested. The "swappable" drives thing (which is something I would need BTW) was being mooted over on the IZ Forum when I last visited.
So. without waiting with a cup of coffee, you just
pull it out and "slam it" into a ProTools rig? And then hit the ProTools Controller at full speed? No waiting at all? Is that what happens?

Wow.
:cool:
Kind regards
 
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stedel

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Originally posted by Julian Standen:
How about some sort of Pro Tools compatable 'time stamping' so we could just yank a SCSI hotswap drive out of a Radar unit and slam it into a PT rig without having to fanny around with a real time transfer (Yawn!) and 24 tracks (at a time) of AES interface ports.
The new little Tascam unit does this and folks love it for that, I am pointing my "in the field" clients towards Tascam for this very reason..

Barry?
I am so obtuse sometimes Barry. Please, forgive me, for really dumb Stedel's...was that a "Yes" to Julian's question? :(

"we could just yank a SCSI hotswap drive out of a Radar unit and slam it into a PT rig without having to fanny around with a real time transfer (Yawn!) and 24 tracks (at a time) of AES interface ports".

How long does it take?

And this 96kHz thing...if you don't mind me asking, when are you going higher, or don't you see the need?

A simple "yes we have plans to do this by" or "no we don't see the need"for the 96kHz thing would be really nice. Nothing too complicated. I've got AD/
DA conversion fatique.

I was giving Radar a good look over last year.Was very interested. The "swappable" drives thing (which is something I would need BTW) was being mooted over on the IZ Forum when I last visited.
So. without waiting with a cup of coffee, you just
pull it out and "slam it" into a ProTools rig? And then hit the ProTools Controller at full speed? No waiting at all? Is that what happens?

Wow.
:cool:
Kind regards
 
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bhenderson

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Originally posted by josh clark:
Hi Barry,
I am very intrigued by the new RADAR 24 as I will be ready for an upgrade in the Fall from my simple 8 channel setup and outdated software. The price is now comparable to what I would need for 16 channels of decent AD/DA (RME), new sound card, computer, and software which definately has me me leaning towards RADAR.
Now a comment:
I've been looking at your site and reading as much as I could about the different systems. The one thing I came away with is that the site is not all that helpful. It's a bit convoluted and on the front page RADAR 24 is described as having:
- 48 kHz Classic analog I/O
- KC-24 remote controller
- 40G internal IDE recording HD
- Ethernet, IDE & ext. SCSI backup
(Add DVD-RAM backup for $695.00!)
but on the infomation page the features say DVD-RAM is standard, doesn't mention the IDE drive, and mentions the Analog I/O as an option. Please clear this up because if the Analog I/O is not included in the $5995 price (listed at $5690 on the info page!) the price comparison I mentioned before, is much different. Thanks in advance for clearing this up. Maybe I'm just not seeing things right but does anyone else feel the same about the site?
JC
Hi Josh,

Your right, sorry for the confusion. The site needs to be fixed and it will be fixed soon. However, there are 4 products. 3 of them are SCSI recorders - RADAR 24 Classic, RADAR 24 Nyquist, RADAR 24 S-Nyquist and the 4th one is an IDE recorder - RADAR 24 Project. The "Project" does not come with standard with the DVD RAM disk cause it ships with the new 3.10 software that allows one to backup to the internal system drive as well as to the ethernet. All the products come with analog I/O. We used to offer a base unit without analog I/O so you could save money and hook it up to a digital mixer but no-one is buying it that way so we are removing that option.

Call us at 1-800-776-1356 if you need further clarification on this.
 
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bhenderson

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Originally posted by stedel:
[QB]
Originally posted by Julian Standen:
[qb]How about some sort of Pro Tools compatable 'time stamping' so we could just yank a SCSI hotswap drive out of a Radar unit and slam it into a PT rig without having to fanny around with a real time transfer (Yawn!) and 24 tracks (at a time) of AES interface ports.

How long does it take?
You export the files over the ethernet or via a SCSI disk at about 2 to 3 MB/s )real time is 3.6 MB/s) and then simply drop the files into the Protools session
And this 96kHz thing...if you don't mind me asking, when are you going higher, or don't you see the need?

A simple "yes we have plans to do this by" or "no we don't see the need"for the 96kHz thing would be really nice. Nothing too complicated. I've got AD/DA conversion fatique.
YES, we already do (and were the first to do) both 96 kHz and 192 kHz!
 
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radiophonic

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Originally posted by RADAR:
Originally posted by owen muir:
paris sounds great, but it's a bitch. crashes alot, unless you are really good at it, and it still does sometimes. the mixer sounds good, but sending audio in and out for the mixer produces some unplesant latency [which i don't think you can fix entirely, i've tried...correct me if i am wrong].

it is most definately cheaper than radar though. and you do need a board, i believe.

--owen
How much is a fully loaded Paris with 24 channels of analog I/O? Have you seen our new version of RADAR -> "RADAR 24 Project" it sells for only $5999 as a complete system.
Paris can be as stable as any DAW. The crashing problems are inherent in any platform that lets you choose the underlying computer hardware & software. Once you have a stable set of components, you have a stable system. iZ goes through the trouble of selecting all of the components for you - one platform, fewer bugs.

It just depends on what you need. Paris is also a great mixer - something to consider. You don't need a console to track bands with it. Just preamps.

Latency - you can correct for any amount of latency down to the millisecond level in the Paris editor, or down to the sample level with a 3rd party plugin. Measure your latency through the AD/DA chain, and correct for it.

But let's see, approx $1895 for a base Paris Bundle III system, add in 16 ins and outs, ~$1700, and a computer for ~$1000. Add more Bundle III's and I/O as needed (max 16 channels per interface). Since each interface (before additional I/O) has 4 analog channels of I/O, you could have a complete Paris system with 12 I/O per interface x 2 for a grand total of ~$6500.

Radar Project 24 sounds like a great product- it is a wonderful solution if you need to interface with a console or want to be portable. Good luck with the product!

Graham
 
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