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AndrewSteingrebe

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Please don't point me to the Steven Lee group Album cut (the one that is hyped on the SAW Studio website...the re-mix of the old Tower of Power tune)...I already downloaded that a while back...the recording sounded good to me...good...but not outstanding....and certainly not 5 times better than what can be acheived with more reasonably-priced DAW software.

It does sound good, doesn't it? The remarkable thing about it, to me, is that it was recorded in his living room with a cheap Mackie mixer, budget chinese mics and mixed in Sony headphones. I guess it's just another example of, "it's not in the gear it's in the ear".

From that standpoint, does anyone need a $2000, or $900 piece of software, when they could get the job done with something for $65, or $250?

Probably not.
 
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moonz

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According to Bob Lentini that recording was done on location, in a Vegas nightclub...but yah...it could just as well have been done in one of the 18 bathrooms of his multi-million-dollar house in the Vegas hills...the house he paid for with cash from all of those 2500 dollar SAW contributions...:lol:

Heh..so you think Yamaha (Steinberg's latest owner) is going to be stupid enough to double the asking price of a Steinberg product so soon after buying the company?

:roll:
 
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beyarecords

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And why shouldn't he enjoy what is has rightfully earned!? reward v risk. He took the risk to develop the product, he gets the reward.

Coming across this post made took me back 10+ years ago when I was using saw+ on a pc and StudioVision on a Mac II. I can't believe that it is still around!

I had a look at the website and if nothing else all the so called big boys should learn from this site how to put together a showreel site that will generate sales just from watching the product in action. Very informative.

And this is from a guy who uses Logic Pro 6.4.3 and soon Nuendo 3.

beya
 
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AndrewSteingrebe

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Heh..so you think Yamaha (Steinberg's latest owner) is going to be stupid enough to double the asking price of a Steinberg product so soon after buying the company?

Looks like the street price is $2k. I wouldn't consider it stupid, but they're makin' ya buy a dongle for it, too, which is probably stupid. Time will tell, though.

NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory
New USB dongle guards crown jewels 24-Jan-05

Steinberg announced that their USB-based hardware copy protection device as a separate product.
Accompanying the product launch is the announcement that customers who purchase Steinberg VSTi products released for the first time after 1st January 2005 and who do not already own a Steinberg USB key copy protection device as part of their Steinberg product will be required to buy a Steinberg Key as a required component to be able to run the VSTi software. However, existing Steinberg Cubase SX/SL, HALion, Hypersonic and Nuendo customers already in possession of a USB Key will no longer have to obtain a USB Key that they do not need, and will be able to buy future Steinberg VST instruments at a reduced price as a result.

The current standard of copy protection employed with its latest generation DAW and VSTi products is among the most successful in the industry today. Supplier of this successful technology is the German copy protection specialist, Syncrosoft GmbH.

"This system offers many benefits for Steinberg customers," explains Claus Menke, Steinberg's Head of Product Management. "The introduction of the Steinberg Key will extend the highly successful current generation of the Syncrosoft copy protection system to all new Steinberg VSTi products, helping to protect not only our investments, but also that of our customers and dealers," Menke continues.

Pricing and availability
Steinberg Key will be available for €19.90* from February 2005.
*SRP includes 16% German VAT. Prices subject to regional variations.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1965

According to Bob Lentini that recording was done on location, in a Vegas nightclub

Sorry. I was referring to the album on the Steven Lee Group website, not the live recording.
 
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moonz

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I just don't agree that a single software application is worth thousands of dollars...not SAW...not Nuendo...and not even AutoCAD!!

(I also don't think hookers are worth thousands of dollars...:roll:)

And talk about risk...what about the consumer that pays thousands of dollars for software that just doesn't get the job done because it doesn't function as advertised?

All complex software has bugs, and much of it is hyped far beyond its true capabilities.

About Nuendo: Unfortunately, you are correct...I just checked the list on Nuendo 3...2500US....jeezus...what a price increase over the last version!

Unless they have some astounding new innovation lurking in this latest version, I'm afraid such a large jump in price may tend to kill the product.

But, then again, there may still be more than enough dumbshits out there that are willing to pay out that kind of money on imperfect software (isn't it all?) to make Yamaha a healthy profit.

This may actually turn out to be a good thing for some up-and-coming software developers though, as more people are driven to making due with lesser-known audio applications, due to budget constraints.

It will probably also increase the number of people that will entertain the idea of utilizing warez copies of the no-longer affordable popular stuff.

:lol:
 
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beyarecords

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And talk about risk...what about the consumer that pays thousands of dollars for software that just doesn't get the job done because it doesn't function as advertised?

Once bitten, twice shy!

Apple Logic 7 is suffering at the moment due to stability issues and a terrible suport structure.

I spent the better part of a month trawling various forums to get a feel for various products, how the users felt about the products, and how they felt they were supported by the developers of the product before I decided to commit my money to steinberg. As a result I decided to move to Nuendo, only because it has the working features I require in a DAW right now plus a fairly good support forum.

beya

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SeniorFedup

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I will downlaod saw and test it out . as of now i use nuendo works fine. but im curious to see how saw BLOWS away nuendo's sound engine..
 

hueseph

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I have to say, I downloaded the demo and listened to the radio. It sounds pretty damn good. There seems to be quite a bit of headroom and I pinned it and it didn't seem to clip. Of course this could just be that the red is at a lower value than what is shown visually. The clarity is nice but what seemed to be most impressive was the editing capability, though at this point I think Abeltons Live works in a similar manner. Tough call. I personally wouldn't be able to tell the difference when compared to Nuendo but my ears aren't that great.
 
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SeniorFedup

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Yea i cant run the demp due to low video quality on my comp. i would like to ear the difference : (
 
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johndale

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SAW

I'm a SAW user and have been through the majors the last 10+ years. Yes, SAW is that good in all respects. Bob is not a rich man, I don't think. I knew his reputation before I became a SAW user. How many copies you think he sell's? It is worth 10 times what it cost's, but how would someone know that unless they paid $1250 for SAW Studio Lite which to me is the entry level. There is Basic, but it is missing features that I require. The only way you need the $2500 version is if you are doing heavy video work or your using it as a "live" show controler. You may say "What's that?". Well you could run a whole Vegas show off of SAW with lights, background music et-al pre-programed with it. I could go on but IMHO SAW is well worth the investment...........JDW
 
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