Tannoy Reveal, Rokit KRK G4, Yamaha HS or Yamaha MSP?

kmetal

Kyle P. Gushue
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Positioning the speakers in the corner adds 3 or 6 db to the low end. The mopads help a bit but having the speakers on the desk increases bass problems and mid/high issues too. Rear ported speakers need a certian amount of space behind them which should be listed in the manual.

The rokits are front ported i believe...

If the speakers absolutely cant be moved and put on stands then your going to have to accept a fairly compromised response. Id aim to put the speakers on the wall the guitar is resting on, or the wall opposite that. Windows are bass traps. But again if they cant be moved then it is what it is.

Either way id go with 5s. Then add a sub if needed.

Im not sure what your expectations are as far as final results, so that really determines how much treatment ect is necessary.

You may get alot of mileage out of a mix cube type thing. Since bass response is not going to be very accurate, you can at least focus on the mids, which are arguably most important, especially in the cell phone ear bud era. Mids are also easier to treat. You can make some panels and mount them on mic stands to have a portable setup that you can tuck away when needed.

Even the expensive 8" 2 way speakers like quested and meyer ive used are compromised. You never get truly accurate bass and mids from a single 8" speaker and its amp and crossover.

Imho 8" are super fun for casual listening cuz they bang, but are difficult to mix on even in excellent rooms.

Ps. Dont forget about the bass cut switch on the back of the yamaha.

And once you get your speakers you can use the free REW software to help get the best response from the speakers. They make a dsp box for about $115 USD on amazon that can load the eq right from the rew software. People seem to be getting good results with the Sonarworks speaker tuning software too.
 

kmetal

Kyle P. Gushue
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https://amcoustics.com/tools/amroc?l=13&w=10&h=8&r60=0.6

You can enter your room dimensions into this calculator and it will tell you what your room modes are. Those are the frequencies that will be boosted and canceled the most in your room.

That way at least you know that if your boosting or cutting significantly at one of those frequencies, that its the room lying to you, not something on the recording.

It will also help explain why some some songs seem to have more or less bass, if the key of the song coincides with your room modes.
 

pcrecord

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I think placing your setup in a corner is the worst place you could chose..
In all respect to K, calibration tool have been made for those who already place themself in the best position and want an extra control. But it doesn't fix everything...
Also Acoustic pads ?? If you meen foam, they also are the worst thing you can use because they don't affect low frequencies it will only worsen the problem by tamming the highs...

The only thing that can help, in my opinion (regardless of the monitor choice) is to make yourself or buy some bass traps.
The will also help if you record with a mic in the room..

Here are some random DIY videos :



 

amadeustm

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alright. so I will give back the HS8's and pick the HS7 (the store didn't have the hs5's anymore and they offered only credit, not cash back). As well it is ok to have HS7 because they fit size-wise at the moment and for the long run (20 years?) they will be decent enough in the new house, whenever that happens. for the moment mixing will take a second priority because room treatment will be limited. I am renting and I don't have many options of changing layouts, as I mentioned. maybe I rent a room in a studio nearby to do mixing, when they get needed (i need to do some new friendships). for the fun of just creating music, the HS7 will suffice. at a later point i will go for the sub-woofer solution, adding them to the project and cutting off the basses from the monitors, as you guys suggested.

REW software
taming the room is something i always had in mind. i know the importance, of course. if i could i would do it, no questions asked. i never heard about this miniDSP tool, sounds pretty cool. thanks for the video as well.

Im not sure what your expectations are as far as final results,
i am a newbie and i am just starting to mount the project. while i dont have a minimum acceptable scenario, i will start with just having a decent set of speakers, interface and midi controller. that should be enough to play around until i can adapt this scenario further. kids are on the way, having a dedicaded room for mixing is kinda hard in my situation.

to make yourself or buy some bass traps
i will sure consider that. thanks for all the links

mopads help a bit
I added a rubber base to hold some of the vibrations and put the trimmer to -4db (room control, reduces bass levels). it helped a lot but still gets very heavy on the low end.
 

amadeustm

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yeah, but at least they fit my table, and the exchange grands me some bucks to buy the rest of the setup. i still need the audio interface and a mic.

but i will not trust anything for mixing before treating the room. was very, very helpful the talk. i always have great support from you guys.

i was wondering, do you guys have any material you mixed that i could hear? @pcrecord @kmetal

thanks!!
 

miyaru

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I have a small room too, 4,5 meters by 2,5 meters, and use Presonus Eris E8 - 8" monitors. Because I have a problematic room, I use Sonarworks reference 4 software to correct problems. This works not 100% but goes a long way, and will set you back €300,=. For that money you get the software for your monitors, and fair amount of sorts and brands of headphones, and a measering mic that is callibrated for the software. This might help a bit to avoid bass buildup. Even thought bass build up sounds atractive to some, it won't help you to get a good mix in the end......

Check out: https://www.sonarworks.com/referenc...ViZ3VCh0HJQvKEAAYASAAEgJBkfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
 

kmetal

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I have a small room too, 4,5 meters by 2,5 meters, and use Presonus Eris E8 - 8" monitors. Because I have a problematic room, I use Sonarworks reference 4 software to correct problems. This works not 100% but goes a long way, and will set you back €300,=. For that money you get the software for your monitors, and fair amount of sorts and brands of headphones, and a measering mic that is callibrated for the software. This might help a bit to avoid bass buildup. Even thought bass build up sounds atractive to some, it won't help you to get a good mix in the end......

Check out: https://www.sonarworks.com/referenc...ViZ3VCh0HJQvKEAAYASAAEgJBkfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Ive been curious how your mixes are translating lately with sonarworks. Also have you entered the samplitude give away contest here yet??
 

miyaru

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Hello Kyle, and all others of course! I have entered the Samplitude give away, how could one not do so, it is a great give away!!!!

Kyle, you ask me how do mixes translate lately. Well I made one complete mix, which I send in here on the forum, with the stems provided.

https://recording.org/threads/mix-exercise-part-1-session-preparation.64650/page-2 on this page there iare two mixes from me on the song.

What I can say about Sonarworks: works well, behaves well in the population of other audio software in my PC. Mixes come out more transparent, more focused. The lows are tighter, bass build up because of the corners get supressed, and the mid an high range seem to be so muh clearer to me. For tracking there is a no latency setting, and for mixing a non phase setting. I also bought two cheap Samson Headphones, which have a profile for Sonarworks, so me and a co-worker can benifit from Sonarworks without having to spent money on another Beyer Dynamic DT 770 pro which I already had.
I'm convinced the sound could be better if my room was fully treated, but for a room what it is now it sounds more then OK.
In the futere I want to treat the corners with Auralex corner traps and see what that does.

When you start using Sonarworks, things sound thin and basslight, but that is normal for a room like mine where there is not much space behind the speakers and being in corners. After a while I found it was less fatiquing to listen to. The messurement mic in the package is nice too.

Due to extreme private bussiness, I never came to try the package that you pointed me too, which was free of cost - I'm sorry!

All in all, I would not wan't to be without Sonarworks anymore!!!!
 

kmetal

Kyle P. Gushue
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Cool man, im glad its working out well for you! Anything that improves our experience is a good thing. I will check out your tune when i get a sec, looking forward to it. Cheers Miyaru, good luck in the Samp contest!
 

zerosin

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For what it's worth, every KRK I've had so far has has manufacturing issues. The caps could also be of better quality. I've attached a pic of my Rokit 6 that I was recapping with Nichicon audio grade caps after hearing an occasional hissing from the one pictured. Turns out one of the main caps didn't even get soldered down properly. The post was loose in one hole. They gooped black sticky stuff all over the insides to keep that crappy stuff from falling out. If it wasn't for the goop, the cap would have fell right out. So I think KRK knows what's going on. NOT COOL!

My Rokit 10 had a molex connector that was never pushed all the way down. After a few years the amp started cutting in and out. Took it apart and found the connector, obviously, not pushed down properly. NOT vibrated out. Well, yes it vibrated out a bit because it was never properly seated. KRK=crappy quality control.
 

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