the SP VTB-1 verses the Summit 2BA-221??

Bobby Loux

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does anyone have experience with these two pre's? I know they share the solid state/tube technology.

other than price: Studio Projects VTB-1($179.00)vs the Summit 2BA-221($500ish) do they compare sound wise?

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Kurt Foster

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I know this is off the topic you listed but I gotta tell about this! I have been running a Sebatron vmp -4000 through its paces today and I am as floored by these pre amps as any I have ever used! This includes my Neve 9098's, 1272's ( I don't really like 1272"s but some do) API's and pre's in large format consoles like my MCI 600 and Tridents. These pres are a knock out. Very versatile, they can be very neutral but BIG or with the right gain structure these things can have major attitude like a 14 year old princess! All tube, no chips and top quality build. 1497 list but that's for four channels! A full review will be available in another week and a half. I have a drummer coming by next Monday and give me a couple more days after that to finish writing it. These are the best pres I have ever used! Kurt
 

Bobby Loux

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yeah Kurt i am curiously awaiting your final response on the Sebatran as well as it could give me the 4 channel pre i was looking into for drums, along with my RNP...

i have been leaning toward a single channel pre for my vocals. possibly great river neve clone, maybe the speck 5.0, or the summit 2BA-221. (thus the question regarding the tube blend tecnology between the summit and the VTB-1) I am using a Groove Tubes Model1b tube mic which has been the best mic I've found for my tenor voice type.

so if anyone has any info on my original post, I'd appreciate it.

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Kurt Foster

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Bobby Loux,
I have been tracking with the Sebatron for two days now and it has been able to handle everything I have thrown at it. It is great for a tenor vocal. My U87 sounds better on it than anything I have ever put it through. It will be another week before I do drums with it but for everything else, it is wonderful! I'm gonna do some acoustic guitar (my Martin D28) tonight. I 'll report on that tomorrow.

I will also be reviewing the Speck 5.0 very soon. I have it here but I need to fab a special cable to hook it up.
 

Bobby Loux

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Hey Kurt,

do you know if Sebraton has a single channel version of that pre? seems like it might be a good idea for them to offer that option. a four channel and a single channel...maybe someone over there is listening??

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Kurt Foster

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Bobby Loux,
Someone is! Check this out
The new valve preamp and compressor (with EQ) from ~SEBATRON~ called "THORAX". Production starts this week (24 March 2003 )
This is what I call a channel strip! I was looking at the panel art for this and it is super! Full of features! You can see all their way cool products at http://www.sebatron.com Kurt
 

Sebatron

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Someone else is too!! :s:

There is a actually a two-channel version available of the vmp-4000e called the vmp-2000e ,it has the option of VU metering because of the extra front panel space.We have no photos up on the site at the moment ,but if you're interested contact: sebatron@sebatron.com for details.

.....sshhhhhhh!!!......
 

Bobby Loux

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How much US$$ will the two channel go for?...also is there any special orders possible, say if someone wanted just a single channel??

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chessparov

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If you go to http://www.mojopie.com you can read several
reviews on the VTB-1. On one, Harvey Gerst talks about how well the VTB-1 does on the RCA 77DX ribbon microphone. It's a good pre, without even
adding "for the money". You may want to go to Alan Hyatt's forum here for more info.
And yeah I have one. :)

Chris
 
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vpoulos

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Originally posted by Kurt Foster:

I will also be reviewing the Speck 5.0 very soon. I have it here but I need to fab a special cable to hook it up. [/QB]
A SPECIAL CABLE !?!
What kind of special cable?

Jeez...the MP 5.0 couldn't be easier to interface. All the I'O's are industry standard XL's and 1/4" TRS.
http://www.speck.com/mp50/mp50.shtml

Kurt, is there something out of the ordinary with your MP 5.0 review that you'll need a "special" cable?

Vince Poulos
Speck Electronics
http://www.speck.com
 

Kurt Foster

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Vince.. My patch bay is 1/4". I need a XLR to 1/4" with the cold side lifted as per the owners manual instructions. Most pieces are able to tie the cold side to the ground but the 5.0 manual says not to do this or distortion will result. I was actually going to try to do this today. I'm cutting some new guide tracks for a second song to do with the drummer and I was going to use the 5.0 on it. It's no big deal, I just have to take one on my cables and snip the cold side at the 1/4" end. Kurt
 
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Originally posted by Kurt Foster:
Vince.. My patch bay is 1/4". I need a XLR to 1/4" with the cold side lifted as per the owners manual instructions. Most pieces are able to tie the cold side to the ground but the 5.0 manual says not to do this or distortion will result. I was actually going to try to do this today. I'm cutting some new guide tracks for a second song to do with the drummer and I was going to use the 5.0 on it. It's no big deal, I just have to take one on my cables and snip the cold side at the 1/4" end. Kurt
Kurt,

Is your studio's patchbay 1/4" unbalanced?

Because that's the only circumstance when you would need to lift the low side of the MP 5.0's output. And that only applies to the active-balanced output NOT the transformer output.

In fact, lifting the low (-) signal is a standard recommendation for gear with active-balanced outputs (Avalon, Grace, Manley, True Systems...just to name a few).

I'm hopeful that your evaluation of the MP 5.0 can utilize and exploit the benefits of
the "balanced" inputs and outputs on the MP 5.0.

Vince Poulos
Speck Electronics
http://www.speck.com
 

Kurt Foster

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Nick,
In this case it makes no difference. Just as long as it's lifted. You are correct in that if the receiving piece is balanced XLR, you would want to lift it at the unbalanced end so you could get the benefit of phase cancellation of any line noise on the receiving end ... Thanks for the tip, Kurt
 

Kurt Foster

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I'm hopeful that your evaluation of the MP 5.0 can utilize and exploit the benefits of
the "balanced" inputs and outputs on the MP 5.0.

Vince Poulos
Speck Electronics
Vince.
OK ... no problem. I'll have to patch it directly into my converters. But that shouldn't be a problem. Just means I will have to waddle down to GC and pick up a XLR to balanced 1/4" cable. Kurt
 
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