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Kurt Foster
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so it's fake drums, line in bass and guitars? no mics? just plug and play and drum machines? what separates this kind of production from any of the other 10,000,000 basement productions using garage band or ????? ...... it's a perfect example of what has killed recording as an art .... it's nothing anyone with a $500 laptop can't do .... certainly not tremendous more like unremarkable.
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"...what separates this kind of production from any of the other 10,000,000 basement productions using garage band or ?????"
Nothing. And I wouldn't limit that to just "basement" productions, either. You can hear this on plenty of commercial release tracks too.
And while I'd expect VSTi sourced tracks for any of the run-of-the mill pop-based stuff that's out there, I simply can't get next to it for metal - and not that I'm a huge metal fan either - but I respect that it at least involves real players... or should I say ... at least it used to, and it still should. Metal is, if nothing else, passionate. I don't hear that same passion when listening to VSTi based/programmed emulations.
Mic up the kit, the Marshall, and the SVT - rattle the windows and piss off the neighbors. Metal isn't supposed to be "polite".
Nothing. And I wouldn't limit that to just "basement" productions, either. You can hear this on plenty of commercial release tracks too.
And while I'd expect VSTi sourced tracks for any of the run-of-the mill pop-based stuff that's out there, I simply can't get next to it for metal - and not that I'm a huge metal fan either - but I respect that it at least involves real players... or should I say ... at least it used to, and it still should. Metal is, if nothing else, passionate. I don't hear that same passion when listening to VSTi based/programmed emulations.
Mic up the kit, the Marshall, and the SVT - rattle the windows and piss off the neighbors. Metal isn't supposed to be "polite".
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Please stop changing the topic of my thread.
This is about getting a great modern bass guitar sound in MIXING.
It is NOT about recording and I never said that my way of getting the DIs was the best one.
How can you accuse someone about making no music? You know someone in order to something he uses REAL instruments, the fact that he cannot afford something
and he can translate his music in MIDI data doesn't make him less "musical".
If you have problems with people using software cause that's "cheating" then you must have problems with Editing too.
Sorry but in modern metal you HAVE TO stick to the grid.
It's not Pink Floyd neither Led Zeppelin. It's modern and yeah it needs some cheating, the fact that you dislike it...? I GOT IT. WE ALL GOT IT cause you said it more than 2 times.
And I respect it too.
But respect my thread too, cause I LOVE modern mixes and I love the fact that people can show their music to the world using these drum machines.
Without these drum machines , some fantastic bands wouldn't have the opportunity to show us some fantastic songs, cause of no drummer or no money to record drums.
Nobody got money to record you know and some people with a small budget have some of the best ideas for songs ever and you say that this is no musical at all?
Thanks for sharing your opinions with me, but if you'd like to say how bad modern mixing is please start another thread. This is about something else.
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dude, the name of this forum is RECORDING.org not mixing.org
and you arent recording anything.
stick to asking questions like i do, not a one of these folks needs mixing "advice". that would be like going to a civil engineering firm to explain how this bridge wasnt designed correctly after finishing my mechanics of materials class at the local community college.
see your problem now?
what records do you have under your belt that qualifies your very first post? why should we listen to you?
and you arent recording anything.
stick to asking questions like i do, not a one of these folks needs mixing "advice". that would be like going to a civil engineering firm to explain how this bridge wasnt designed correctly after finishing my mechanics of materials class at the local community college.
see your problem now?
what records do you have under your belt that qualifies your very first post? why should we listen to you?
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listen here bucko ..... no one around here "owns" a thread. you do not moderate threads here. threads at RO go where the conversation leads to.
next, read my sig line .... "it's my opinion. i'll play with it if i want to ....."
what i really have a problem with is your use of superlatives like "tremendous" ..... just because you say it' is, doesn't make it so. if you had approached this as a post like "here's what i did and how i did it" instead of "i know it all and here's how to do it" you most likely would have gott a warmer reception. instead you come off as a stupid kid who is so ignorant he doesn't realize how much he doesn't know.
it's "the best track you never played. "
there is nothing great and modern, awesome or remarkable let alone "tremendous" about any of your song clips. the fact that you would post something like this here expecting approval, goes to show you haven't read very many of the posts and threads here at RO. the guitar tones are mundane and the drums are typical sampled drums. there is no sense of depth or dimension which is again typical of over processed DAW production. the bass tone is a refuge from a Seinfeld episode. i keep looking for Geroge Costanza to show up.
says who? you?
first, i have used drum machines. but i would never say it was a recording of a "band". next i grow sooooo weary of those who use "no money" as an excuse to cut corners for the sake of affordability. that's exactly what is killing the art and industry of "recording". .... take the time you spend in the basement playing with yourself to go get a job at and use that money to buy some real equipment instead of searching out the cheapest route to self aggrandization you can find .
the mix itself is flat and squashed ... obviously daw itb with so many plugs the poor computer is gagging with all the processing.
no hate here but you are obviously trying to get some hits on your face book page. that's not what this forum is about. please stop wasting band with. the more this stuff happens the more i think Chris is right. we need to make this a private forum with pre approval to post. if it were up to meeee, i would have deleted your post in the beginning.
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To Kurt:
It wasn't something I would have deleted. His choice of descriptive words was poor, as in "tremendous"... or "how to mix a bass guitar"... if he had simply said, "here's a way I was able to get an alternate bass tone using the following" then I'm not sure that this thread would have created the heat that it did, but he didn't violate any TOS that I'm aware of, and we can't delete posts simply because we don't personally agree with what someone has to say. That being said....
To the OP:
Kurt's correct... you don't "own" a thread, and you can't dictate who reads and who comments - or, how they comment. Any time that you post, you are allowing others to comment, and the comments may or may not be what you want to hear. If you are looking for a group of sycophantic yes-men, then you're in the wrong place. You've also chosen a forum that has a roster of professionals in its ranks - veterans - who have been in this business a long time, who work with some very nice gear, who still believe in actual talent in both performance and engineering, and who have little patience for those who don't also take the craft seriously or who post in an effort to simply up their social media site or soundcloud view/listen count.
Your original post was aimed at those who either have A. no money to get serious about the craft, or B. who have decided that all they need is a copy of PT, an M-Box I/O and a handful of plugs to make them "professionals", so they feel that investing seriously into the craft is a waste of time because they don't need to.
The tone you presented wasn't "tremendous". It was "average". It was pretty much the stock-tone of nearly every bedroom/basement PT/Sonar/Cubase studio I've ever heard. Perhaps next time, if you simply reined in the adjectives of how great you are, and instead simply state that this is a process you used to get a tone that you liked and were sharing that process, then you won't face the critical back-lash that happened this time.
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It wasn't something I would have deleted. His choice of descriptive words was poor, as in "tremendous"... or "how to mix a bass guitar"... if he had simply said, "here's a way I was able to get an alternate bass tone using the following" then I'm not sure that this thread would have created the heat that it did, but he didn't violate any TOS that I'm aware of, and we can't delete posts simply because we don't personally agree with what someone has to say. That being said....
To the OP:
Kurt's correct... you don't "own" a thread, and you can't dictate who reads and who comments - or, how they comment. Any time that you post, you are allowing others to comment, and the comments may or may not be what you want to hear. If you are looking for a group of sycophantic yes-men, then you're in the wrong place. You've also chosen a forum that has a roster of professionals in its ranks - veterans - who have been in this business a long time, who work with some very nice gear, who still believe in actual talent in both performance and engineering, and who have little patience for those who don't also take the craft seriously or who post in an effort to simply up their social media site or soundcloud view/listen count.
Your original post was aimed at those who either have A. no money to get serious about the craft, or B. who have decided that all they need is a copy of PT, an M-Box I/O and a handful of plugs to make them "professionals", so they feel that investing seriously into the craft is a waste of time because they don't need to.
The tone you presented wasn't "tremendous". It was "average". It was pretty much the stock-tone of nearly every bedroom/basement PT/Sonar/Cubase studio I've ever heard. Perhaps next time, if you simply reined in the adjectives of how great you are, and instead simply state that this is a process you used to get a tone that you liked and were sharing that process, then you won't face the critical back-lash that happened this time.
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yea ... that's why you're the moderator ....
i would have because it REEKS of spam to me. actually that was aimed more at the op and not administration. i have no problem with the way the site is run. in the day i would have agreed with you (actually i still do). i understand that it not good to delete any content unless it's absolutely necessary. i would have probably locked instead ... but then that's no fun either lol.. k.
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Playing OP's "advocate" for just a second, and in an attempt to be as fair as possible, it's possible that someone could derive some "benefit" from his "how to" post.
However, I don't think that RO is necessarily the best location for this type of post, as most members here are into recording with actual instruments, using actual mics and performed by actual players... but, at the same time, I can't really blast anyone for the use of virtual instrumentation, either, because while most of what I do involves microphones and real instrumentation, I've also used my fair share of drum machines and synths as well.
I think the problem began by his choices of description... the use of the word "tremendous"... as in ground breaking, or innovative, or cutting edge... and, well, it's not.
It's actually quite "average" sounding - par for the course - in what I hear coming out of most hobbyists' "studios".
And to take offense to the critiques, and verbally lash out, simply because the people who did respond didn't fall all over themselves with adoration and compliments, didn't help things, either.
Whenever you post here, you have got to realize that you are opening yourself up to critiques... and they might not always be what you expect or want to hear.
If you are looking for validation, or seeking replies that are simply knee-jerk complimentary "atta-boy!" in nature, then you should probably choose another forum/site from which to post.
And, if your motivation is to simply "boost" your view/listen count numbers on social media or other streaming audio sites, then you should definitely find another forum, because that won't be tolerated here.
However, if you post with the intent of seeking actual critique, advice, suggestion and discussion about the recording and production process, then you are more than welcome to post...as long as you aren't thin-skinned.
Because if you can't take the heat, then you've got no business being in this business.
FWIW
-d/
However, I don't think that RO is necessarily the best location for this type of post, as most members here are into recording with actual instruments, using actual mics and performed by actual players... but, at the same time, I can't really blast anyone for the use of virtual instrumentation, either, because while most of what I do involves microphones and real instrumentation, I've also used my fair share of drum machines and synths as well.
I think the problem began by his choices of description... the use of the word "tremendous"... as in ground breaking, or innovative, or cutting edge... and, well, it's not.
It's actually quite "average" sounding - par for the course - in what I hear coming out of most hobbyists' "studios".
And to take offense to the critiques, and verbally lash out, simply because the people who did respond didn't fall all over themselves with adoration and compliments, didn't help things, either.
Whenever you post here, you have got to realize that you are opening yourself up to critiques... and they might not always be what you expect or want to hear.
If you are looking for validation, or seeking replies that are simply knee-jerk complimentary "atta-boy!" in nature, then you should probably choose another forum/site from which to post.
And, if your motivation is to simply "boost" your view/listen count numbers on social media or other streaming audio sites, then you should definitely find another forum, because that won't be tolerated here.
However, if you post with the intent of seeking actual critique, advice, suggestion and discussion about the recording and production process, then you are more than welcome to post...as long as you aren't thin-skinned.
Because if you can't take the heat, then you've got no business being in this business.
FWIW
-d/
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So recording.org is run by 10-20 people, aged 30+ with a hate in modern music, that have 10.000+ posts and that power gives the freedom to older members insult new members without a problem.
But if the new members say something that may offend the older ones everyone is going to bash him.
By the way the topic creator owns the thread that's why he is the creator:
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[="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread%20Hijacking&defid=6353149"]Thread Hijacking[/]
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.
Source: [="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread+Hijacking"]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread Hijacking[/]
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I simply asked to stop hijacking my thread, cause it is really rude. I have no problem to hear that my sound is $*^t if you do believe that.
And I really asked you to do it really gently but you got offended and called me a bucko. Guess who's the bucko around here.
I just don't care about your opinion about MIDI, that's all. I didn't even start the thread to ask about your opinion on MIDI.
I can accept everything, even if it's bad, no problem at all that's why this is called a community. I just can't accept a older, narrow-minded bucko feeling like he can own the forum just cause he has lots of posts and also... I can't accept thread-hi jacking.
Update: I also despise mod butt licking (Kurt.)
I guess that's the reason you've got thousands of views and 2-3 replies on each thread. Cause people are afraid to speak cause someone with 10.000 posts
and being an internet friend of the moderator can do what he pleases.
I've got no problem whatsoever I said what I had to say. No problem with me.
Aw and about the "recording.org is not the greatest place for this mixing tutorial" thing....
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"People are not here to learn about mixing but recording"
- NEWBIES! Help and Advise for HOME STUDIO. How to get started? Beginner recording questions. How to hook gear up. What is compression, interface, levels, gain staging, budget gear, USB mics more..
Remove the MIXING ITB label and everything would be fine.
I am out of this thread. If someone finds the tut useful then let it be.
But if the new members say something that may offend the older ones everyone is going to bash him.
By the way the topic creator owns the thread that's why he is the creator:
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[="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread%20Hijacking&defid=6353149"]Thread Hijacking[/]
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.
Source: [="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread+Hijacking"]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread Hijacking[/]
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I simply asked to stop hijacking my thread, cause it is really rude. I have no problem to hear that my sound is $*^t if you do believe that.
And I really asked you to do it really gently but you got offended and called me a bucko. Guess who's the bucko around here.
I just don't care about your opinion about MIDI, that's all. I didn't even start the thread to ask about your opinion on MIDI.
I can accept everything, even if it's bad, no problem at all that's why this is called a community. I just can't accept a older, narrow-minded bucko feeling like he can own the forum just cause he has lots of posts and also... I can't accept thread-hi jacking.
Update: I also despise mod butt licking (Kurt.)
I guess that's the reason you've got thousands of views and 2-3 replies on each thread. Cause people are afraid to speak cause someone with 10.000 posts
and being an internet friend of the moderator can do what he pleases.
I've got no problem whatsoever I said what I had to say. No problem with me.
Aw and about the "recording.org is not the greatest place for this mixing tutorial" thing....
and
"People are not here to learn about mixing but recording"
- NEWBIES! Help and Advise for HOME STUDIO. How to get started? Beginner recording questions. How to hook gear up. What is compression, interface, levels, gain staging, budget gear, USB mics more..
Remove the MIXING ITB label and everything would be fine.
I am out of this thread. If someone finds the tut useful then let it be.
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everything you just posted is wrong. i don't give a fu*k what the urban dictionary says. why even post here if that's how you feel? i'll tell you why. you are trying to steer traffic from here to your site. i have noticed very few responses to your topics (other than yourself) which btw are full of misconceptions and wrong info and opinion. as with your music it seems your site is there only for your own self gratification. and you have the nerve to come here and criticize RO?
you have no creds in the business. you don't know what you are doing and your sounds suck ....
go buy a mic and learn how to use it.
you have no creds in the business. you don't know what you are doing and your sounds suck ....
go buy a mic and learn how to use it.
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i have an image in my head of a pigeon flying in the window, flapping its wings, strutting around, and shitting everywhere...
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The title would be better as:
Tremendous Bass VOLUME- How I make Bass Loud using plug-ins ?
Deleting this thread serves no purpose so I've reopened. This thread is definitely very informative and has already reached 15,519 views. We are missing the mark here!
The OP is typical to the affordable recording sound. Its also upsetting to be told you suck when you just thought you had a hit.
His reaction to our panel is typical.
He has let emotion (clearly why as we are beating on him) get the best of him , while we are also failing to help him.
Which, he isn't allowing us to do so.
To the OP
You took the liberty to post material in a professional recording forum beyond your musical level and got put in the hot seat. The content within this forum has been screened since its launch 15 years ago. You really have know idea of the history within, maybe its time you took some time to ask questions.
Donny said it to you perfectly. So did Kurt, I and others. Kurt has seen more pro's come through his Professional studio than you will ever meet in a life time. You really have no idea.. You just met Simon Cowell of our forum.
If you really cared about helping people learn how to create "tremendous bass" tone, now is the time be be humble and listen. You are at a cross road. You can slam the door or sit down and rethink.
You never once asked us to explain what we hear in your demonstrations. You basically walked into a studio filled with professional (electronic and acoustic professionals of all ages) that welcome everyone, but we also don't let misinformation get past us without question. We actually care about music and helping people make it happen. That's why we built this place 15 years ago. We are here to learn and share.
We admire enthusiasm but also monitor the material people post.
The challenge,
Lets turn this around and ask the OP why he thinks he knows better than us?
What do you think you have discovered that we don't hear?
I also challenge him to post the same tracks so we can have a go of it. ?
Tremendous Bass VOLUME- How I make Bass Loud using plug-ins ?
Deleting this thread serves no purpose so I've reopened. This thread is definitely very informative and has already reached 15,519 views. We are missing the mark here!
The OP is typical to the affordable recording sound. Its also upsetting to be told you suck when you just thought you had a hit.
His reaction to our panel is typical.
He has let emotion (clearly why as we are beating on him) get the best of him , while we are also failing to help him.
Which, he isn't allowing us to do so.
To the OP
You took the liberty to post material in a professional recording forum beyond your musical level and got put in the hot seat. The content within this forum has been screened since its launch 15 years ago. You really have know idea of the history within, maybe its time you took some time to ask questions.
Donny said it to you perfectly. So did Kurt, I and others. Kurt has seen more pro's come through his Professional studio than you will ever meet in a life time. You really have no idea.. You just met Simon Cowell of our forum.
If you really cared about helping people learn how to create "tremendous bass" tone, now is the time be be humble and listen. You are at a cross road. You can slam the door or sit down and rethink.
You never once asked us to explain what we hear in your demonstrations. You basically walked into a studio filled with professional (electronic and acoustic professionals of all ages) that welcome everyone, but we also don't let misinformation get past us without question. We actually care about music and helping people make it happen. That's why we built this place 15 years ago. We are here to learn and share.
We admire enthusiasm but also monitor the material people post.
The challenge,
Lets turn this around and ask the OP why he thinks he knows better than us?
What do you think you have discovered that we don't hear?
I also challenge him to post the same tracks so we can have a go of it. ?
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We aren't excluded to just recording. Mixing and mastering is part of this forum content. Mixing and sound replacement including producing is what I do mostly
. But, it all starts from recording
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great idea. btw, thanks for the kind words Chris.
lol! any one here feel like their butt''s been licked? what a jerk.
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"i would have because it REEKS of spam to me"
See...I do that :0 I do not give a dang about anything but what is helpful and what is accurate. And I have a nose for crap :/
If it starts out ugly, and this one hit my BS meter hard but I do not work in this area...I turn the toaster on, get the bread and mustard and start fixing that spam....for my lhasa apso.
You cant make me eat that stuff
So if this went on too long...you should have asked me, or make Kurt a mod...either one will eliminate that.
On The Other hand:
If good form and structure can be gleaned so that the thousands that watch these threads can LEARN something from the crap that was presented, rather the poor attention to detail and simply trusting digital and getting all "I did that" mentality from the OP, then it was still successful.
See...I do that :0 I do not give a dang about anything but what is helpful and what is accurate. And I have a nose for crap :/
If it starts out ugly, and this one hit my BS meter hard but I do not work in this area...I turn the toaster on, get the bread and mustard and start fixing that spam....for my lhasa apso.
You cant make me eat that stuff
So if this went on too long...you should have asked me, or make Kurt a mod...either one will eliminate that.
On The Other hand:
If good form and structure can be gleaned so that the thousands that watch these threads can LEARN something from the crap that was presented, rather the poor attention to detail and simply trusting digital and getting all "I did that" mentality from the OP, then it was still successful.
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You are all missing the ball on this one, as of many other posts that can be flipped into problem based learning. Its a free lesson and opportunity to education, put right in our hands. I am glad some are not mods. There are too many loose cannons quick to execute someone, yes, spamming us but he was polite and also he is trying. I hear his problem. Its not spam. he is over processing . Give me that mix. I'll take a whirl at it and try to give an example that will turn this around. He calls it tremendous. I say BS. Let us have the tracks and we'll show tremendous. Its not using plugins like that.
Removing this would be our loss. We loose the ability to use examples, mix it better, show why and how by turning this off.
I'm still waiting for audio examples from more of us. How are we helping any of us without audio examples? Mix this one . Call him out and lets hear a better example?
You are reactive and not seeing how this gold here.
It isn't spam in the least. Well it is if you let it only be that. Its being indexed here, not there, and this my friends is helping people reading it to now. Think again.
Removing this would be our loss. We loose the ability to use examples, mix it better, show why and how by turning this off.
I'm still waiting for audio examples from more of us. How are we helping any of us without audio examples? Mix this one . Call him out and lets hear a better example?
You are reactive and not seeing how this gold here.
It isn't spam in the least. Well it is if you let it only be that. Its being indexed here, not there, and this my friends is helping people reading it to now. Think again.
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Okay cool Brien... time is currently still on our side with this. He hasn't left and maybe he wants to see this another way. I mean, aren't we all trying to improve our skills? Isn't he? Okay, I agree, he is spamming us and posting this exact thread elewhere but lets not let that spoil the fun.
Look at the google rating on this one.
OP, do us all a favour. Please make your tracks ( of the same example you are sharing here) available to those who want to give it a whirl?
Look at the google rating on this one.
OP, do us all a favour. Please make your tracks ( of the same example you are sharing here) available to those who want to give it a whirl?
