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Interesting site I found. Not sure if its been mentioned here.
http://www.turnmeup.org/

I guess everyone is worried that after consumers have a LOUD CD in the deck, and switching to a Dyanamic CD(not so loud),
that the consumer will wonder,
"Why the hell is this one so low."
And they will link that to quality issues, or something of the such.

Im talking about regular consumers, that have no Idea about music production and mastering. They just listen to music.

Though there are other factors.
Just rambling on here.

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Greener Fri, 12/05/2008 - 14:42

BushmasterM4 wrote: Compare Metallicas' Black album to the new one. Its sad the loss of fidelity over the last 10 years. Its a shame, there are some descent songs on the new Metallica cd. I bought the vinyl thinking it may have been mixed and mastered better but it wasnt. My 30 year old turntable cringed when I played the album :)

Dude :(

I listened to the new one and thought it was some of the cleanest digital editing I've ever heard. Every second of music is cleaned, scrubbed and had every spark of goodness removed from it. I thought the vinyl was going to be something worth owning. :(

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BushmasterM4 Fri, 12/05/2008 - 15:22

They say the Rock Band (or is it Guitar Hero) is the one to get. Not as harsh. I have yet to hear it, let alone find it. I fired up my PS3 thinking it would be available there at the Playstation store. I couldnt find it.

AllAboutTone Wed, 12/10/2008 - 22:37

Greener wrote: I don't understand how people fail to see this really simple thing about audio.
If you want it louder, get a bigger funking amp and speakers!

Very true, louder CDs come from great preamps such as API and others, its all about putting the harmonics distortion in the mix, makes it huge and full.
I can remember when i did not have have good pres and I could mix CDs to +3 on CDs, now since i use great preamps I can mix less than 0 and still get a louder mix than the non pre not to mention the fullness.

AllAboutTone Wed, 12/10/2008 - 22:38

AllAboutTone wrote: [quote=Greener]I don't understand how people fail to see this really simple thing about audio.
If you want it louder, get a bigger funking amp and speakers!

Very true, louder CDs come from great preamps such as API and others, its all about putting the harmonic distortion in the mix, makes it huge and full.
I can remember when i did not have have good pres and I could mix CDs to +3 , now since i use great preamps I can mix less than 0 and still get a louder mix than the non pre not to mention the fullness.

Greener Wed, 12/10/2008 - 22:56

AllAboutTone wrote: [quote=AllAboutTone][quote=Greener]I don't understand how people fail to see this really simple thing about audio.
If you want it louder, get a bigger funking amp and speakers!

Very true, louder CDs come from great preamps such as API and others, its all about putting the harmonic distortion in the mix, makes it huge and full.
I can remember when i did not have have good pres and I could mix CDs to +3 , now since i use great preamps I can mix less than 0 and still get a louder mix than the non pre not to mention the fullness.

I understand the "want" to have one CD sound louder than another on a particular system. But, I've never enjoyed listening on small systems and have always built systems that have enough power to spontaneously combust. So no matter how quite the recording, I can usually amp it enough to drive the speakers to the brink of destruction. What I want is dynamics! Move the air!

Meh, the loudness wars seem to have been fought for in-ear bud headphones. Ipoods, like hats with inbuilt radios, are toys.

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jammster Thu, 12/11/2008 - 00:24

Greener, I agree!
Too much of the music today is made to compete for loudness, and it is a shame. At least its a shame to us that have a bit more class and know a good song when we hear it. Thanks for fighting the good fight. This over hyped attitude has to go to the dump along with all that garbage for a song music! I hope things will turn around soon, there is just way to much rudeness in the world! Last thing i want is a rude song to listen to!

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Michael Fossenkemper Fri, 04/10/2009 - 06:12

If you want to see real change, then there has to be a new format. It's really as simple as that, then it's only a matter of time before that is pushed to the limits.

technology will regulate by itself. It always has. Look at every form of art and it's dictated by the medium it's delivered on. What if someone said "Hey Jackson Pollock, you can't go flinging paint on a canvas, it was designed to be brushed on". "Hey Jimi, you're overdriving those tubes and it's causing distortion. no distortion allowed".

Every medium will be pushed, that's human nature.

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Link555 Fri, 04/10/2009 - 06:52

The new medium is the flash drive.... maybe when bigger drives are small enough....oh wait they already are. But now mp3 has everyone convinced they need 2000 songs on there ipod or they being ripped off. Maybe if the data compression format improved?

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hueseph Fri, 04/10/2009 - 09:20

Michael Fossenkemper wrote: If you want to see real change, then there has to be a new format. It's really as simple as that, then it's only a matter of time before that is pushed to the limits.

There's flac. There are lossless formats but they're not popular.

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