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My budget is about $500, and I need a tip for what condenser microphone I should get.

I will be recording acoustic and electric guitar, folk instruments(like the gambian kora, violin/riti), voice, and generally sample noise and sounds.

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soapfloats Sat, 10/02/2010 - 22:25

+1 on the pairs idea.

I recently got my hands on a Rode NTK, and want to use it for some stereo applications, but lack a stereo partner.
Plus it's always good to have two of everything. Noah's Ark and all...

Anyways, I think you might be interested in ribbon mics - for the sources you mention (minus voice), I really like my Fatheads which come in your budget as a pair. Been very happy w/ it on *female* vocals too.
The real deal in ribbons costs twice that, but there is something about a ribbon on any acoustic source that I love (amps, as well).

Otherwise, I agree with John that SDCs are the better choice vs LDC. Not as appropriate for voice, but will perform admirably on all of your other sources.

TheJackAttack Mon, 10/04/2010 - 14:14

I would try to find a good reputable dealer of used pro audio items. On the page you linked for that price limit, the only two options I even see are the NT55 and the AT4041. In either case I would still save my money and try to get a pair. The NT55 also happens to come with an omni capsule so is perhaps more versatile than the AT4041 which is the fixed capsule version of the AT4051.

RemyRAD Mon, 10/04/2010 - 19:51

I generally don't recommend these but I did some rock 'n roll recording for a friend. I used my API 3124's for the front end. He wanted me to use his Octava 319's(?) for cymbal & Tom overheads. I think he got the pair for $100 US? I thought they sounded absolutely fine, I was a little amazed at their fine sound and found them 100% adequate. No modifications, right out of the box. I like my Shure SM 81's on overheads along with my Beyer M 160 on overheads and also my AKG 414's on overheads. But I was amazed at those little cheap 319's. Yeah sure, I also like Neumann KM 84/86 series of small diaphragm condenser microphones which would also include the later KM 184, etc.. Rode 55? Yeah sure. No problem.

It was good for me. Was it good for you?
Mx. Remy Ann David

TheJackAttack Wed, 10/06/2010 - 08:32

1) The case and foam is about $125 of that amount.
2) meh....the low end AT and AKG mic's are just that. Low end.
3) The C214 is supposed to be a cardioid only version of the C414 but I have not found that to be accurate sonically. The SM57 is always good to have on hand.

I think I'd stick with a bag full of SM57/SM58's or buy the single Rode NT55 and save as quick as possible for a second NT55. Other opinions may vary.

Arnstein Wed, 10/06/2010 - 08:38

I guess I'll go for the 2x NT55 then! Thank you everyone for helping me, and I think you, TheJackAttack, have answered every topic I've started, even the ones before I got the monitors and Onyx.

Edit: And if it takes too long time before I can afford the second NT55, I'll buy a Shure SM57 for instruments.

RemyRAD Wed, 10/06/2010 - 14:07

Arnstein, Microphones, like Lays potato chips are such that you can never eat just one. The suggested microphone packages from Sweetwater are all perfectly great. Having some matched microphones as stereo pairs are my favorite way to purchase microphones. I like buying them in pairs. They don't have to be what we used to refer to as " matched stereo pairs". That was important back in the day when these microphones were not mass produced like they are today. The consistency is much greater and so it's no longer necessary to obtain " matched pairs" but just the same model pairs purchased at the same time. All capsules age on condenser microphones. And when they age, their consistency changes. That's why it never works well to purchase a single condenser microphone now and then another matching one some time later, in the future, for stereo. When you do that, they'll always sound different from each other because they are. And I find that SDC (small diaphragm condenser) microphones are more consistent sounding to each other than their LDC brethren.

Happy hunting
Mx. Remy Ann David

TheJackAttack Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:58

In short, no. Cheap large diaphragm condenser mic's tend to sound muddy and not actually perform like you intend. The reality is for most folks, a small or medium diaphragm condenser works better until they can afford a more high end LDC. By the way, I would categorize the C214 and the C414 as medium diaphragm capsules.

Arnstein Thu, 10/14/2010 - 06:00

I got my NT55 today, and I tried recording a quick improvised version of Stella by Starlight, but what hit me is how low the sound of the mic is! On the mixer it is +50db gain, and the volume for the channel is maxed out, and still it's very low sound of the recording! Check it out here:

http://www.arnsteinkleven.com/Stella.mp3

Edit: I listened to the mp3 now, and I realize that the sound is okay on the mp3, but not in Logic. I guess it's a setting in Logic that I've screwed up! (the mp3 is a bounce from the Logic recording) Anyone have a clue about what it could be?

Arnstein Thu, 10/14/2010 - 09:46

When I record with the microphone, the volume of what I recorded is very low. Even if I turn the track volume on full, it's still low compared to the other tracks (MIDI tracks). I could of course turn all the MIDI tracks down, but I would prefer if there is a way to get higher volume from the NT55 track instead of always turning all the MIDI tracks down instead! I hope you understand, I'm not very good at explaining :P

TheJackAttack Thu, 10/14/2010 - 10:01

First, back up all individual audio tracks so you have original copies archived.

Okay. So what you are describing is your microphone track not balanced with your MIDI tracks. Where are the peaks for the MIDI instrument(s) and where are the peaks for the piano mic's? Peaks should be between -12dB and -6dB. If not then you need to lower/raise individual track levels until they have parity.

In Audition or Reaper I would select the individual track and edit that track. In Audition it allows me to raise or lower the volume independently of the "fader". Strictly speaking it is not a "normalize" function but similar. I always manually adjust these things judging both by peaks and by RMS. In some cases you may actually be reducing the RMS of an audio track. Don't sweat that. Once you have a final main mix bounce you can adjust final output volume to taste. Once you have audio and midi tracks fairly evenly balance as "source" entities then you can run your faders in Logic as if your were running a mixing board and achieve the mix blend you desire.

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