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another "What to buy next".... (sorry)

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It`s that time again... Money on the acount and its time to upgrade.


My current setup:

API 3124
2 x Green River ME 1NV
TL Audio 5001 (4chn valve preamp)

UA 2-1176
Eventide Eclipse
TC Electronic Powercore firewire
Lynx Aurora 16

Royer 121
2 x Soundelux U195
Studio Projects T3 (valve mic)
Shure Beta91
3 X Milab WM44 (small diaphragm)
Shure sm57 & 58 (a bunch..)

Adam S3A

Quad core PC running Cubase 4
(acoustic treatment)

I have about 4000 to spend (might strech it to 5000)

Any suggestions, thought and ideas about what would be the next step gearwise would be appreciated...


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Twood Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:07
Well.. Originally I was thinking on the Theremionic Culture earlybird 2.2. a twin channel valvepreamp. But at over 4000 I was thinking maybe I should get something else instead. At that price I can get maybe a Chandler TG2 and still have money to buy a great mic. (maybe a Bock 151)

I allready have a royer 121, and my acoustics are decent.

hmm... Maybe a shure SM7 as well?....

I usually record pop/rock.

Any ideas?

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Kev Fri, 04/18/2008 - 17:52
Twood wrote: 2 x Green River ME 1NV
I have a 1NV
but it's not green

I know he meant Great River

you do have some nice stuff there

Dave says " WANT a ViPre. "
I'm going to have to get my hands on one of these to see what all the fuss is about

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Twood Sat, 04/19/2008 - 02:45

You 'need' WANT a ViPre.

Yes, yes you do. And a Distressor.

LOL... I`m getting sleeeepy....

I have a 1NV
but it's not green

Hehe... Come to think about it, neither is mine...

But on a serious note, some nice preamps would be good. I got a 4 channel TL Audio valve preamp that I`m thinking of selling. I was the first preamp i bought when I first started recording and i guessed it has served me well. The sound is "decent" (at best) but the lack of headroom is a problem.

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BobRogers Sat, 04/19/2008 - 05:50
If I was adding to that collection...The U87...mics before pres...after that...not enough left for the Vipre...maybe the distressor

On a less fantasy driven note - do you do a lot of recording with stereo pairs? How about a pair of 414s + stereo bar and stand? Or another pair of multipattern LDCs more to taste.

Finally, while its not very sexy. I could certainly spend a lot of cash throwing away every crappy stand, mic clip, cable, piece of furniture, etc. in the studio and replacing them with top quality stuff. (And of course $4-5K would get one fairly nice oriental carpet.) Wouldn't improve the quality of my recordings, but it would improve the quality of my life.

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Kev Sat, 04/19/2008 - 14:39
there is part of me that agrees with Bob
the U87

as much as the newer and cheaper mics are so very good for the money
it would be nice to have one or two of the old industry standards

the reviews used to go " ... nearly as good as a U87 "

one day I hope to get the real thing ... I already have the 414s

perhaps just replace the TL Audio 5001 with a classier two chanel Tubed Pre

the Distressor is nice and worth having
perhaps an LA2 to go with the 1176 you already have
these are the two units most people are buying when they get the Distressor
... yes I know it does more than just that

how about a classy monitor controller

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Twood Thu, 04/24/2008 - 15:12
So you guys think its time to buy a new mic?...

Hmm... well.. I can strech it to around 3000, maybe 3500. So is the U87 the natural choice? I`ve always been a bit skeptic about Neumann. It seems like you pay a lot just to get the Neumann name..

Am I way off here?

Will the U87 be a huge improvement compared to the U195?

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Davedog Thu, 04/24/2008 - 18:06
I have experience with both.

AND I agree on your point about the Neumann name.

Do they sound better than your average $2K+ mic......Yes, most of the time.

Are there mics in this price range that will deliver the tracks as well as the Neumann?....... Yes, and of course it depends on WHAT you want to hear in the recording.

I LOVED that thick full-bodied sound I heard with the U195. I LOVE that mic.

I prefer my U87 in every respect. On every source.

There is a sheen, a something-or-other that is so hard to explain, that you get with the Neumann. Is it the fabled "air"??? uh....maybe.....

Its like this. Everything in the sound spectrum that it picks up is clear. There simply arent any grey areas.

I think the new ones are overpriced and have said that on many different occasions.

They do sell themselves as far as time booked. Everyone wants to record on one and the vocalists pine for them while most have never used one for anything. The mystique is that big.

So is the sound. One thing a U87 does better than any other mic (excepting U47's, the Manley references, Brauners and a couple others) is react favorably to the the mic pre in the way that most of them were designed. Its the one mic that even sounds better on a cheap pre than anything should.

Then you get into true variable input impedance and thats a whole nother set of rules and sounds.

A U87 and a ViPre is just about as perfect as it gets.

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Twood Sat, 07/05/2008 - 07:47
Ok... so here comes an update. I pretty much went completely crazy and bought waay more then planned. (..and waay more then I can really afford..)

Here is the list over my new gear:

Telefunken ELA M 251F
AKG D112
Shure Beta52
2 X DPA 4011
Theremionic Culture Earlybird 2.2
Chandler TG2
Realtraps roomkit (8 minitraps + 3 microtraps)
Realtraps portable vocal booth
2 x Atlas stand (the BIG ones 4,5 meters high)
beyerdynamic 770pro headphones


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Twood Sat, 07/05/2008 - 23:29
Went crazy? That's probably 6 months income for me....gross. lol. I may be exaggerating but only by a little. How sad. How terribly, terribly sad. *goes off to contemplate a second Mc D's.*

Dont feel bad.. This is six months income for me as well...

I did some takes with the DPAs on acoustic guitar the other day. Amazing. I had a hard time deceiding wich sdc to get. I really liked the DPAs. The only thing I was afraid of was that they might be a bit too "clean"... I almost went with some Schoeps instead. Its really hard to deceide sometimes. But now that I`ve had the DPAs for a few days a really tried them out; no problem. Pushing the input a bit on the earlybird solves the whole "too clean"problem.

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BobRogers Sun, 04/27/2008 - 04:36
Well, you do pay a price for the Neumann name, but if you are trying to attract clients the name is useful to you. It's hard to think of something more confidence boosting than putting a U87 in front of a vocalist and saying "let's try this first." And it's not as if the U87 is a recent fad. If you were just buying this for one vocalist, you could probably find a better fit for a better price. But it just seems like a pretty standard piece of equipment for a professional studio tracking any popular music genre.

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MadMax Sun, 04/27/2008 - 09:20
Pre's are never a bad thing to have, but great mic's are an investment.

I'll nominate the Peluso P47... a pair even! A GREAT mic that IS a good as the original.

Possibly the Peluso P12?!?

Haven't seen the ViPre, so I can't say anything about it. However, Averill's 1073 or 312 might be a nice alternative.