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Hi guys..
Looking for a low end check on the electric guitars for this one, I attached a short excerpt of it below.
Right now I'm shelving them off by about -4db @ a 180 Hz corner ... do they sound like they need a more dramatic HPF type thing? Or less, with a gentler roll off? Ears are pretty fatigued from doing a lot of mixing over the last week...can't trust myself completely at the moment...
Can you please check these for me?

Thanks! :)



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DonnyThompson Tue, 04/04/2017 - 13:17

Thanks Chris :) ... ya, Slate drums.
there are 4 guitar parts total - 2 guitars were mic'd through an actual amp, using a 57 and an MXL 860 Ribbon, and 2 were through the Slate-Scuffman virtual amp(s).

audiokid, post: 449145, member: 1 wrote: I'm no help for subs but on my lake monitors, which don't accurately go below

Right now I'm more concerned with the 200-300 Hz region, whether I rolled off quick enough - and deep enough- or whether I should stick with the shelving and ease them down gently ( like -4db?) from 180 ( or so). My slope was set for -6db.

audiokid Tue, 04/04/2017 - 13:29

Thanks for sharing, good sound. Love it.

The guitar sounds very good to me and is especially nice with the drums but that could change if or when something else needs to occupy freq. I feel pretty confident to say... I like this a lot and until you add more, its good.

Others may have a different opinion which I always like reading. .

DonnyThompson Tue, 04/04/2017 - 15:53

audiokid, post: 449147, member: 1 wrote: Thanks for sharing, good sound. Love it.

Thanks Chris :)
I'm arranging a vocal part but it's not there yet. Beyond a guitar solo in the middle 8 of the song, vocals are all that remain. The instrumentation you are hearing now is the way it will be.
Right now, I'm fighting the songwriter's common task of writing, arranging, then re-writing and re-arranging, then doing it all over again, and again, and so on...

The vocals just aren't ready to be tracked yet... if I don't like them before I record them, they're certainly not gonna sound any better if I do... ;)

Like you, I'd like to hear the other guys' opinions/suggestions, too.


pcrecord Wed, 04/05/2017 - 16:49

Hi Donny, sit down I've got a funny one for you. Your mix sounds a lot better in mono !!
I think the reverb(s) don't work. in the electric guitars and in the drum (specially the hi-hat) ..
I know you love reverbs more than I do.. but something is draining the energy of the band.. (too much panning too ???) can't say without having the project in my hand.
Did you use a stereo enhancing tool or a M/S processing ?
I might be way out and be wrong. Just sending you some ideas to experiment ;)

DonnyThompson Thu, 04/06/2017 - 03:48

pcrecord, post: 449218, member: 46460 wrote: Did you use a stereo enhancing tool or a M/S processing ?

I didn't, Mon Ami.

I did use some fairly wide panning - and - the acoustic guitar, (after the intro) is M-S. ( I actually recorded the acoustic in M-S with two 414's).
Actually, I recorded the whole acoustic guitar track in M-S using these mics throughout the whole song, but i kept it mono for the intro, until the drums and electric guitars came in, at which point the Sides were added ( via automation).

Is that perhaps what you are hearing? Should I narrow down the Sides to the M-S acoustic? As they are now, they are panned hard L-R...

I did check the mix in mono before I uploaded the sample here ( I always check in mono for everything I do - old habits die hard, LOL) and nothing "disappeared" ...or sounded greatly attenuated, and I didn't hear any phasey-wizzlies...

But, beyond tracking the acoustic in M-S, I didn't use any type of "stereo enhancement tool"... I can count on one hand the number of times over the past 20 years where I've used one of those on a mix... but I did pan certain things pretty wide, to allow for a center "pocket" for the vocals to eventually occupy. ( I just haven't recorded a LV (or BV) track that I like yet.) ;)


pcrecord Thu, 04/06/2017 - 16:14

I went back to your song Donny.. Althought the guitars are at a small distance instead of in your face. it's all sounding good. It's only a question of taste from here.. ;)

But I found a small harmonic build up at 2380hz which you should be carefull about.. I think it comes from one of the guitars. as it is it's not a problem but could be once you add vocals..
Thanks for sharing Don! ! !

DonnyThompson Fri, 04/07/2017 - 03:26

Thanks Mon Ami.
I'll give the tracks a listen in solo mode and see if I can pin-point the instrument that's causing that.
My hunch - and I could be wrong - is that it's most likely the bass track ... which is actually a bass sample from the Magix/Samp Independence library. I haven't had a real bass guitar for quite some time, I had to liquidate some stuff last year when I got sick.
Believe me, I'd much rather use a real bass on this track.
I'll check it out and let you know what I find.

pcrecord Fri, 04/07/2017 - 04:49

DonnyThompson, post: 449298, member: 46114 wrote: Quick question - did you hear this build-up audibly or did you see it happening in a graphic analysis prog like Span or Ozone?
And is it a regularly occurring thing or sporadic at certain sections?

I initially saw it with ozone Spectrum analyser around 2k. Then I used an EQ boost manual sweep to pinpoint the frequency.
As I said, the mix as it is is ok and this very small build up is not a problem. But it could become one once you add vocals.
I really think it's in the guitars, (in the second part of the sample) but we are nearly talking ME concerns now which is too soon in your production ;)