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Hey guys,

I never showed this to any other engineer and it is def. not like any album I record.
From time to time I hold Jams for the local music-guys in my studio.
Thats perfect for me to drop in some mics and experiment with less microfones than I would use on clients or do things differently than usual.

Like here I am using only 6 Mics. 1x Drums, 1x Git, 1x Wurlitzer, 1 Vocals, 1 Backvocals, and one Roommic.
Thats an all unedited live mix on the desk. I'd change the Vocalmic for something else as the RE-20 I used and the Guitar amp is very bright.
I'd love to hear any comments on this.
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best greetings,
S.

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DerEber Wed, 12/06/2017 - 10:54

Hey thanks for joining in!
I'd admit that drums hard right is debatable in many ways. But with a one mic mono drums hard panned and the drum-bleed on other mics panned other side or center I instantly get a good stereo representation of the room. Instead of drums and drum-bleed forming a slap. Ok....in this song brutally covert by all the reverb I used. ;)
And yes the Vocal in the loud part fades away.
Thanks for your critique.

pcrecord Wed, 12/06/2017 - 12:04

Of course regarding artistic thinking, you can pan anything anywhere.
I would of course advise to check the mix in mono to be sure you don't have phase issues. But other than that, there is no limit.

Now this is my theory and I'm glad if it's going to be debated (the whole reason for RO to be such a nice place to discuss) :
On the technical side, having drums and bass to a side kinda direct the energy in an unnatural way.
You see low frequencies will be hard to pinpoint in a room with eyes closed because of how they travel in the air (due the the wave lenght)
So If I follow your respectable idea to have it like it was in the room, to be totally exact, we would need to put the low frequencies in mono and open to stereo as the frequencies get higher. It would actually be a good thing to try on a full band even with more then 1 mic per instrument.

Anyone have an opinion on my little theory ? ;)

DonnyThompson Thu, 12/07/2017 - 02:07

pcrecord, post: 454370, member: 46460 wrote: Of course regarding artistic thinking, you can pan anything anywhere.
........

Anyone have an opinion on my little theory ? ;)

I frequently mono the low frequency in a final mix anyway, though the corner frequency will change depending on the song. Sometimes I mono at 100hz and down, other times at 150, but there have been times where I've gone as high as 250... its song dependent.
I don't really get bothered by mixes where drums are panned to one side; this was common back in the 60's when tracks were limited... but it can be distracting to some in a modern style of production... over the years we've grown accustomed to center/detente for things like kick, Snare and bass guitar, so I think it's just more that we have gotten so used to these placements, and now when we hear songs where drums or bass is panned off to a side, it takes us by surprise - but I wouldn't go so far to say that it's a "bad" thing. It's really about the song and the context of the instrument placement - or at least it is for me, anyway.
As Marco mentioned, it's always a good idea to check your mixes in mono throughout the mix process, particularly if you are adding stereo effects that are sometimes "hyped" in width.
I think the song sounds nice, it's got a really nice vintage sonic vibe to it, very warm, a nice laid back feel. There's a lot more verb on it than I prefer, but that's just a personal taste thing. I also don't know how much of that verb is inherent in the amps/cabinets originally.
I think it's one of those songs where the less you do to it in the mix, the better it will sound.
IMHO of course.

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