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NS-10M's or NS-1000M's for mixing?

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Compare, contrast.

I have NS-10M's. Is there any reason for me to sell my 10M's and Reveals (and eat the extra $ difference) for 1000M's?

Thanks-
.nick

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realdynamix Wed, 01/29/2003 - 12:47
Originally posted by millionVALVE:
Compare, contrast.

I have NS-10M's. Is there any reason for me to sell my 10M's and Reveals (and eat the extra $ difference) for 1000M's?

Thanks-
.nick
Keep the NS-10M's and get the NS-1000M's at a price you feel comfortable with and enjoy both. Can't comment on the Reveals.
I love the NS-1000M's in my project studio. (Dead Link Removed)
--Rick

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EdWray Thu, 01/30/2003 - 06:47
I'm not going to be set up until March due to a total reorganization of the studio including construction of a new desk, etc., to get the spacing right. Bill Roberts has been tutoring me on the setup. He's the man!! Right now I have them hooked up to my home entertainment system and have listened to all my CDs with a way low end stereo. Even so I can tell that there is no hiding a bad mix. One mix in particular that was dear to my heart is now screaming for a total remix or even retracking. Some cuts sound absolutely stunning while others sound like ass. So I'm getting that there ain't no hiding crap behind hype when you're using them IMVHO. I got 'em cause I want an honest represntation of the source material and so far that's what I'm getting, which I'm not getting with the current setup. I haven't heard the NS 10s so I can't compare. Bill and others here are much more qualified for that.

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audiowkstation Fri, 02/14/2003 - 01:54
Two different animals dyed from the same wool.

NS1000 have the most pure 350 to 2K and at no time are you left with dissapearing parts. You can hear every note of every instrument. NS1000's are seamless from the pedal tones to beyond 20K. They virtually dissapear. They are very sensitive to changes in the mix. Like a scope, they let you fine tune and when it locks in place, it is dead on. You can trust them, although the proper setup is crucial.

NS10's prefer to be slammed some to use them as a "back off" device. You put your mix up on NS10's and keep backing off on things that sound unnatural. Goal of the ns10's is a hat trick... like pulling a rabbit out of one. The goal is to make the ns10's (sans lowest FQ's) sound better than anything you have ever heard. This is when the NS10's Really become the tool of choice is for those that use them that way. NS10's are dynamically accurate to the human condition (hence why people hate them is because of fletcher/munson) and they do not make things automatic. You actually have to be an engineer to work them properly.

NS1000's do it all, all the time.

NS1000's simply have another octave and a half or more of low frequency extention and are much more detailed in the finer aspects of reproduction. The lack of mud allows you to get it right, everytime. They basically are No Limit reproducers.

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audiowkstation Sat, 02/15/2003 - 04:14
I find it amusing when folks say there NS1000 do not go below 40hZ

NOT!

Mine and Ricks can hit 20hZ with NO rolloff.

Funny thing, head-end equipment, speaker cable and setup are the key.

I have never heard a speaker hit 17hZ at 110dB like these can. The walls in the bathroom litterally move about 1/8 inch.

No muff too tough for them.

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archived member Mon, 02/17/2003 - 14:28
Any of you use NS10M's with subwoofers? I love my 10's to bits, even the tightness of the lowend (ok, as in what's there!) but was just wondering if anyone has had any joy with such a setup.

Funny Bill, but in retrospect your comments on the 10's in mixing ring very true! Never thought of it from that point of view, but the whole time I was mixing my band's last album it felt like it was a process of working in eliminating the bad rather than improving the good...and I hope that's not because we suck! Anyway, guess that's what I like them for- they tell me when my mixing is shit!
:s:


Bjorn

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audiowkstation Mon, 02/17/2003 - 14:42
You are using them proper, and the mix will result.

Only a pair of subwoofers is good, crossover around 55 to 65 (60) play with it. Single sub is a detrimental device, must be in stereo, two of them.

Another non sub translation for bass is look at cone excursion when doing kick and bvass line. The kick "shall" move the cone X2 than the bass line. Watch them and it will be apperent tonality wise as well.

Subs really should not be heard. any Ummmmmm sound from the sub is bad..should be the impact and only the impact and the pedal tones below low E (42) of the bass guitar. The subs should just add a very small amount of weight to low E on the bass and not colour what the ns10's are doing. I like a 12dB/Cotave on the high pass (or even 6) and a 24dB/Octave on the low pass.(subs)

At no time should you "hear" the subs, they should be in stereo, but rather, they fill the rolloff. They simply should not contain any audable 75hZ.

Hope this helps!

NS1000's on the other hand...Different beast.

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realdynamix Mon, 02/17/2003 - 14:59
Originally posted by TC:
I'm not familiar with the NS1000s. Are they Yamaha (I didn't find them on the Yamaha website)? Where can I get info?

Thanks,

TC
The NS-1000M speaker is available in Japan and is known as the NS-1000X. But, watch E-bay, or other sources for a mint vintage pair of them and a discount. I am still looking for the original cut sheet on the speakers, have not had any luck there yet.
Good luck,
--Rick

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archived member Wed, 02/19/2003 - 19:31
Yes, but the connoisseur will still be able to buy the Japanese 1000X's, right?

To answer my question, I'd guess that a new pair of 1000X's with shipping from Japan would be about $2k, though.

I shoulda plunked down for the pair that went for $510 + shipping. I knew it. I emailed the guy who won, and he knew what he got for what. Lucky bastard.

.nick

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audiowkstation Thu, 02/20/2003 - 14:16
I also have NS200MA's that have the same tweeters, 5 inch cone mid with beyel. dust cap on mids and the carbon fiber 10 inch just like the 12" of the X model. They are warmer than the NS1000's by a wide margin (woofer).

To get the X model, first hurdle, you have to get through customs, not an easy feat since Yamaha decided against it. Remember, the beyrellium is a stratigic mineral in the creation of a thromonuclear weapon and it is under strick control for importation. Their is not enough of this material in NS1000's to case problems but since the tighting of controls and careful measurement techniques of all shipping, especially radioactive materials, I would consider it a dead issue. OF course the NS1000's will not rot your teeth out, but the material is present, Yamaha does not ship them and it would be up to you to find a sutible way to obtain them. I would guess total cost to be close to 5600 dollars per pair.

Given the fact they are shipped as "electronic equipment" they would certainly be checked and possably confiscated. I just have not tried it.

An indivigual may could do it. I do have some friends in Tokyo that could look into this but then again, look at the used stash out there.

I certainly would love to have another pair but timing is everything.

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cjenrick Thu, 02/20/2003 - 16:23
millionValve, don't feel bad. I got snipped on my bid for some NS1000's with about 5 seconds to go. Happens all the time on ebay. To make matters worse, my bid was for only about $564 and the guy was a few miles away so I could have saved the $200 shipping charge! ouch! After you lose , you have to use the sour grapes approach to therapy: oh well, the wolfer probably scraped, and the tweeters were probably fried, they were probably stolen, a better pair for cheaper will come around soon, NS 10's probably would have matched up with my power amp better, etc...

This computer geek I work with says that professional ebayer's have a special computer or program that they use just for ebay. It allows them to win easier, I don't know how it works, maybe they can see your max bid or something, and it might have quicker access, or it might counteract every higher bid automatically or something.

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archived member Fri, 02/21/2003 - 06:49
jenrick-

Ha! I get sniped all the time. When that happens (for personal, Karmic reasons) I always send them an email congratulating them if they also got a good deal.

The program you refer to is something like an instant bidder (from some of the harcore e-bay dorks on their forum). Note- *I* was just *visiting*. This is one that I've heard of, at least. No back buttons, etc.

But you're right: Until I find the best pair at a price I can afford, they will all be fizzy, DOD-bugged monstrosities that cost too much for the winning bidder!

best-
.nick

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