awww crap ... i had just saved up enough to get PT 10.

now i have to start saving all over again for PT 11 ... good news; i can take the GF on a nice evening out with the money i saved up for PT10. diddlydoo

For now all I can say is that I should've bought that 100 shares or Avid while it was cheap. I could sell it in a week for 10x the value. Who knows how long that wave will last? I would ride it for a week anyway.

Reminds me of a song I used to cover, Your Just a 3 Dressed Up as a 9.

17 metering options including k system......GOOD! This has been way overdue. That's good news BUT I'm not interested until Antares does AAX.

Did anyone else watch the webcast? As much as this is a huge upgrade to Pro Tools, I'm still incredibly disappointed. Yay! they have input and output buffers now! That's not a new feature. Yay! Offline bounce! Nothing new. "intelligent" cpu core usage. LOL. This is new? Ah! Thanks for catching up Pro Tools! We can see you in the rear view now. We thought we lost you!

I feel sorry for so many of the people on chat who were asking about upgrades for their recent purchases. I mean, one guy had just bought an HDX system with Pro Tools 10 two weeks ago? Is there any lee way for him? No. You have to have purchased PT 10 at the earliest, yesterday. Give the poor guy a break! In fact, anyone who has upgraded in the past three months should be given a break for crying out loud!

I think I'm done with the software end of this. It's a nowhere investment. If I'm going to spend $10000+ on an HDX system, I'd rather spend it on some nice outboard gear. ([[url=http://[/URL]="http://hueseph.blog…"]So many reasons why this is true[/]="http://hueseph.blog…"]So many reasons why this is true[/])

There's rumour out there that they are releasing PT11 in a rush because they are in dire financial straits. We will see. It should be an interesting few months.

Now you are making sense. And i like your "Hue Spew" BTW!
Thing is, even if they build it, will it actually work anyway. I doubt it. Its over.

hueseph, post: 403328 wrote:

I think I'm done with the software end of this. It's a nowhere investment. If I'm going to spend $10000+ on an HDX system, I'd rather spend it on some nice outboard gear.

me too ... have been for quite some time now ... if i do anything i will fly with StudioOne Free as a glorified multitrack and mix though my crappy assed schmakie sr24 using what outboard i have left. i'm on the look out for a decent smallish large format multi track RTR ... maybe 8 - 16 tracks ... that's all i need really. i can do full fledged productions on 8 tracks .. and in some ways imo it sounds better than having more tracks. the only issue is new tape is way expensive ... so i may just stick with a DAW for a recorder and go the traditional route for mixing and processing ..

i always thought the sessions i did with ADATs and the MCI sounded way better than anything i have done itb.

The best recordings I've ever done were on analog tape. Whether it was through an SSL or a cheap Soundcraft. Even the stuff we worked on digital tape paled in comparison. I have never been able to meet that quality in the Digital realm. I know that a good portion of that is my skills but why should I have to work so hard to get a sound that came so easily on less "advanced" gear.

Well, they finally introduced it. About time. I have had PT10 for a while, so it looks like $300 to upgrade. I've been planning to do that, even though I now regard Studio One as my primary DAW. I'll definitely take my time. The bug shakeout will be interesting.

It's been obvious for some time that the PT code is a big hairball that has made it difficult for them to catch up to minor competitive disadvantages. It's nice to hear that PT11 was written from "the ground up," but we've heard that before. (Redmond, pick up the white courtesy phone.) One of my first lessons in the practicalities of computing was when my wife was working at NASA'a Goddard center in the early `80's. They were still running big decks of FORTRAN punch cards for the satellite tracking programs. They were outdated, but they knew where the satellites were. It's hard as hell for a business to ditch working software - especially after it has grown and metastasized over the years.

Again there has been a backlash since Complete Production Tool Kit 2 is no longer supported. Users who want to maintain functionality and upgrade to PT11 must buy into PTHD11 @ $999 sans hardware. This is for PT10 users. I don't know what the case is for PT 9 + CPTK2 users. $999 equal to PTHD9 to 11 upgrade cost. Some very unhappy users out there. Avid's short sightedness is astonishing.

hueseph, post: 403351 wrote: Again there has been a backlash since Complete Production Tool Kit 2 is no longer supported. Users who want to maintain functionality and upgrade to PT11 must buy into PTHD11 @ $999 sans hardware.Avid's short sightedness is astonishing.

+1

I almost went the CPTK route at one time.....I'm so glad now that I didn't.

Did anyone else watch the webcast? As much as this is a huge upgrade to Pro Tools, I'm still incredibly disappointed. Yay! they have input and output buffers now! That's not a new feature. Yay! Offline bounce! Nothing new. "intelligent" cpu core usage. LOL. This is new?

Yup. Definitely a case of "you should buy this car.. it has tires and a steering wheel and brakes!"

I gave up on PT years ago when they were still very cludgy with their midi implementation - (I switched to Sonar) - I knew guys who used PT in those days and still had to use a separate program (Performer, I think) in addition to PT, just to do the midi end of production.

I've also known quite a few guys since then who have PT and they seem to be very happy with the overall platform these days, but, not very happy about the way that Avid treats their customers.

i'm on the look out for a decent smallish large format multi track RTR ... maybe 8 - 16 tracks ... that's all i need really.

There are plenty of good deals out there these days, Kurt...

Here's a deck I owned (I still own it, actually, but it needs a lot of work) that I absolutely loved - a great sounding workhorse, Tascam 48 1/2", 15ips, balanced ins and outs... I did hundreds of projects on this deck and loved it. I wish I could afford to buy this one, I have so many tapes with so many projects I'd love to remix:

[[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.ebay.com…"]Tascam 48 OB 8 Channel Reel to Reel Recorder Vintage RARE | eBay[/]="http://www.ebay.com…"]Tascam 48 OB 8 Channel Reel to Reel Recorder Vintage RARE | eBay[/]

fwiw
-d

i'm thinking a 1" 8 or 16 ... prob an OTARI. seems like they have the fewest problems ... real workhorses. but then i have to think about a mixer / console ... it's a mess. prob stick with dudgitul ...yippie!

I've seen MS 16's - 1 " format, 30 ips, going for as little as $900, in working order. Nice machines. I cut more than a few tracks on that deck... in fact, several you've already heard through my soundcloud page.

The problem with any older tape deck, as you well know, is:

1. tape head(s) and
2. motor(s)

Those are generally the first things that need servicing or replaced in most any older deck. Not that you still can't find those parts, because most are readily available... but it's a cost you need to figure into the equation on top of the purchase price when looking at older decks.

I have no idea what 1" 456/499 is going for these days... it used to be around $90 bucks or so for a reel of 1"/ 2500'... which, at 15ips, gives you around 33 minutes of tape, give or take a minute.

-d.

I remember buying 2" 456 for $75.(no. I'm hallucinating. That was digital 1") I would like to use tape simply as an effect going from console to tape and directly into my DAW. A one time pass through.

Gotta love craigslist.

[="http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/msg/3729066838.html"]Otari MX70 tape machine w/ parts machine & MRL! - $2000[/]="http://portland.cra…"]Otari MX70 tape machine w/ parts machine & MRL! - $2000[/]

[[url=http://="http://portland.cra…"]5 reels of AMPEX 2 inch Reel to Reel Tape - $200 [/]="http://portland.cra…"]5 reels of AMPEX 2 inch Reel to Reel Tape - $200 [/]

[[url=http://[/URL]="http://portland.cra…"]2" AGFA Reel to Reel Tapes - $40[/]="http://portland.cra…"]2" AGFA Reel to Reel Tapes - $40[/]

yeah those mx70's are kind of what i have been looking for. new pinch roller from my old tech , Michael Gore @ Analog Rules!

pretty cool, the two of them there , side by side ...... now what to do for a mixer ..

Back to PT 11.........

Danger, this post includes yet another of my rants!

I just listened to this week's PTE podcast. It includes an interview at NAB with Chris Gahagen from Avid. If I got this right, the new metering includes neither R128 nor ATSC 85!!!!!!!!! I don't care because I bought the Waves WLM last year but what were they thinking? 17 metering options but not the two most important on the planet?!?!?!? These people are totally out of touch with reality.

btw, this reminds me that the first plug-in that I ever bought was the PPM-ulator.

[[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.zplane.d…"]zplane -- PPMulator[/]="http://www.zplane.d…"]zplane -- PPMulator[/]
I used it extensively until recently. But why does Avid give you all of the extras like the Air instruments but not the basics that you really need?

Yes, and finally with PT11 you get BBC PPM metering....just when it is almost too late.

In all fairness, I understand that still more metering options may yet be included before the actual release.

Thought I would share this. It's good for a chuckle. Guffaw even.

I'm still struggling to understand why PT is the industry standard - pretty much any DAW I've used is better, PT is so clunky and counter-intuitive.

The big reason is that they were first to market. They had a big jump on everyone else and had many years when the hardware/software pairing worked greatly to their advantage. You get that fast a start and you build up a big talent base and education base. I've made a rational decision to move from PT to S1, but not a session goes by where I don't say "crap, I know how to do this in PT, why can't I remember how to do it in S1?"

aj113, post: 403501 wrote: ....PT is so clunky and counter-intuitive.

I'll just point out as well - counter-intuitive is in the eye of the beholder. Because my daughter has recently gone through it, I've been talking to lots of music tech students that are learning several DAWs. I've noticed a lot of love for PT - particularly for tracking. There may be some prejudice there - "I have to learn the industry standard." But I haven't seen many PT "true believers" - more PT for this - Samplitude for that, etc.

Pro Tools is actually pretty easy to use, unless you're planning to do any midi. Intuitive for anyone who's spent any time with a patch bay. That being said, it's been a dog for years now. Poor management of resources. Bad business model.

If you had it in your mind that Avid is some huge corporate mind, you're way off. They've been struggling for a while now. Seriously. For a major player in the industry they probably have the lowest profits. I doubt that they broke $300,000.00 last year. In fact, I'm almost positive they didn't.

It's the mentality that boggles me. They knew that they needed to update their engine. Other DAWs were leaving them in the dust years ago in regards to multi-core support but they didn't want to lose backward compatibility for their users(I suppose). Of course, other companies are capable of rebuilding their audio engines while maintaining some backward compatibility but not Avid. And of course, bit bridging is out of the question even though so many other DAWs implement bit bridging without issue.

Their corporate mindset is that of a sociopath. Maybe if they stopped isolating themselves, they would gain a larger user base and profit.

I have the M-powered version 8 of Protools..... I've hardly ever used it, it seemed too rudimentary. I like one of the Synth plugs that came with it though, still not a reason for buying it. Glad I never bothered to look at the HD system, anything that requires special hardware to run, ties you to it and becomes inflexible.

BobRogers, post: 403505 wrote: I'll just point out as well - counter-intuitive is in the eye of the beholder. Because my daughter has recently gone through it, I've been talking to lots of music tech students that are learning several DAWs. I've noticed a lot of love for PT - particularly for tracking. There may be some prejudice there - "I have to learn the industry standard." But I haven't seen many PT "true believers" - more PT for this - Samplitude for that, etc.

As you say, it's in the eye of the beholder. As for me, if I can't work it out in 30 seconds my eyes start to glaze over. That's why I use Mixcraft and not PT.