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Best guitar DI for re-amping

Any recomendations?

I allready own a Little Labs red-eye box, but I lack a good neutral preamp.
Also, I don't think the red-eye is that neutral as a DI anyway.

I would like to hear of budget options too.

Comments

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 03/22/2006 - 12:03
For re-amping we use:

- Radial JDV
- Radial X-Amp
- POD XT Pro

I've tried the Radial JD-7 and depending on your exact needs it's also one to consider.

As an almost daily user of the Radial products on just about every recording session, I can say with complete confidence you'll be happy with them. 8-)



KJ
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Kyro Studios

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 03/22/2006 - 13:24
The JDV seems very interesting. I like the variable load adjustability.
What I basically would like is really sample my guitar as close to 100% as possible, and for that I need very netural equipment.

I was also considering the Little labs Multi-Z PIP, though it only has a course impedance selector.

The Brick is great and very neutral for being a tube-preamp, but it obviously has some colour.

What pre do you use with the JDV when deciding to record a "re-ampable" track? :)

To illustrate:

guitar -> Radial JDV -> ?????????? -> A/D ---- D/A -> Radial X-amp -> amp

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 03/22/2006 - 15:09
Maybe I'm missing where you're lost but...
The purpose of the re-amping is to capture the raw performance on the guitar DIRECTLY, record it and play it back, with or without the artist present, to get the exact guitar amp sound you want for the recording.

RECORDING - http://www.radialeng.com/images/xamp-usage-diagram1.gif

RE-AMPing & re-Recording - http://www.radialeng.com/images/xamp-usage-diagram2.gif

Does that make the process understandable for you?

If not you should go read where it came from at http://




KJ
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Kyro Studios

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 03/22/2006 - 15:38
Excuse me if I am being unclear, but I know perfectly well the process of reamping.

I see you refer to the x-amp her which has a balanced line-level output. No problem there, just go right to A/D.

However, the JDV only has a balanced MIC-level output. I would need a preamp to raise the signal to line-level, no?

The JDV interests me more than the x-amp because:

1. I allready own a re-amp box (little labs redeye)
2. Variable impedance
3. JDV runs on 42VDC while x-amp runst on 14VDC

Now, my question was: if you DI with the JDV, what preamp would you use? I assume you would use your most transparant pre for such a task.

UPDATE:

Sorry, x-amp has no output at all, but the question still remains.

" Using the JDV is the same as any other direct box. Connect the instrument to the input, the amplifier output to the amplifier and the XLR balanced output to the mixer or pre-amp. The XLR output is ‘mic level’ to allow the JDV to be used in snake systems with microphones and splitters. One should note that since the JDV is a ‘unity gain’ device, driving a high level signal into the JDV will result in a high level at the output. This may exceed the capacity of the microphone input levels. To protect against overload, a 15dB pad at the output is provided."

Kev Wed, 03/22/2006 - 16:00
all of what you say seems correct
and yes
the JVD mk3, on paper, does look like a fine DI box
with all the features I can think of except the ability to run backwards as a re-amp-er like other units say that can
like the X-Amp

but
I've lost track of exactly what the question is ?

Kev Wed, 03/22/2006 - 18:39
voidar wrote: In essence, I want ... ... to pro line-level
What gear/technique would I need?
... BUT I would still need a really transparent preamp for it if I want to accomplish my goal.
yes you would still need a Mic to Line amp

The JVD + a high spec Mic-pre with the works would give you the maximum features ... perhaps even an EQ section

otherwise
a quality simple Mic-pre with an instrument input , would do the trick
an API312 style with the hiZ input like a 512 would be a very nice thing
http://www.apiaudio.com

if you were in Australia I'd steer you to JLM Audio and a 99v or Hybrid based unit

A typical Guitar Rack unit that has hiZ (1meg) input and +4dBu output
is likely to have much character because that's the style with which the GUITAR Boys make stuff.

hope that makes some sense ... 8)

RemyRAD Wed, 03/22/2006 - 21:36
" Least amount of coloration possible" is really a misnomer. Any amplifier/preamplifier will have some kind of " coloration". They are basically all flat response units and everything has a " sound" to it. I think you should just choose something like a good FET Countrymen style direct box, which produces a microphone level output and plug that into a good sounding, nicely colored microphone preamplifier and be done with it. What kind of panacea of perfection are you trying to "scientifically" obtain? No matter how much you pray, you better pray never to see God face to face. Just not a good idea.

Removing the color from my calico kitty
Ms. Remy Ann David

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 03/22/2006 - 22:43
OK... I think I get what you're trying to achieve...
sorry I didn't read every single post here...
:-?

Check out Millennia Media for your gear.

You can probably get an experienced review from the user trakker on this site or maybe someone else with Millennia experience will be kind enough to chime in for you.




KJ
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Kyro Studios

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/23/2006 - 02:23
It's ok.

The TD-1 looks great. On the pricey side though, but I guess that was expected.

Maybe I should just get another Brick, or start with building an SCA-rack.

Thanks.

RemyRAD:
The Countryman DT85 is a cheap alternative, but I would stil need a discreet mic-pre.
I don't see how you can say all mic-pres are "basically all flat response units". In a way you are right, but some are flatter than others and some are intentionally meant to colour.
I don't want to polish the DI signal sonically , as I won't use it direcly in a mix anyway. If the pickup, guitar and playing sounds like crap, I want that to come through when recorded. I mean, that's what nice pickups, great guitars an good players are for.
I will only use this signal for re-amping, intentionally or as a secondary options.

I do understand your message though - "just start recording" - and to some extend I do agree.

Kev:
I have actually been eying on the JLM TMP8.
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