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Building up a studio in my Basement

Thougth you could perhaps assist me, what i currently have is a laptop, mlx mic, m box, electric kit, drumkit from hell sample and a guitar of course.

What i need now is for you good people to tell me what equipment i need to achieve this kind of sound:

http://www.myspace.com/tesseract

what i already had in mind was:

Sml57
Line 6 pro pod rack system
Peavy amp
.

I'm kinda lost in the possibilites of hardware and such

help?

Comments

RemyRAD Wed, 03/01/2006 - 13:09
We are all like kids at the candy counter! In listening to the example I would say if you already have a pod that you are already halfway there. You also need a fairly aggressive drummer and some drum microphones. It appeared to me that the drum recording may have been accomplished with some small diaphragm condenser microphones, overall with perhaps the exception of the snare drum and bass drum? Other than that most everything else I heard is available within your audio software whenever it might be.

Battling chainsaws
Ms. Remy Ann David

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 03/01/2006 - 13:18
hafsteinn wrote: Thougth you could perhaps assist me, what i currently have is a laptop, mlx mic, m box, electric kit , drumkit from hell sample and a guitar of course.

What i need now is for you good people to tell me what equipment i need to achieve this kind of sound:

http://www.myspace.com/tesseract

what i already had in mind was:

Sml57
Line 6 pro pod rack system
Peavy amp
......

im kinda lost in the possibilites of hardware and such

help?
DFH is awesome. i have a friend that sent the samples to me which i use with PCdrummerpro(he also gave me that too :D ).

as for the equipment, i would stay away from the pod stuff. they don't really sound as good as a good tube amp and some single pedals would. but if you wanna go the modeling route, check out the vox tonelab. ive heard positive things about it, plus it has a tube in it, which will warm up the sound. as far as the amp, what kind of peavey are you getting and im assuming its a guitar amp.... i reasently got the valveking 112, which is great sounding and very easy on the wallet. for your kinda music, you might like a XXX or 6505. check out the guitarworld forums for good advice on guitar gear. everyone is very fond of the 6505 and XXX over there, more so of the 6505. plus they aren't too expensive either.

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/02/2006 - 06:50
RemyRAD wrote: We are all like kids at the candy counter! In listening to the example I would say if you already have a pod that you are already halfway there. You also need a fairly aggressive drummer and some drum microphones. It appeared to me that the drum recording may have been accomplished with some small diaphragm condenser microphones, overall with perhaps the exception of the snare drum and bass drum? Other than that most everything else I heard is available within your audio software whenever it might be.

Battling chainsaws
Ms. Remy Ann David

actually those are programmed

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/02/2006 - 08:40
hafsteinn wrote: yeah nirvalica, actually the pod is a rack system, and im gonna hook it up to an amp ;)

thanks alot though
i know what the pod is, and i know that you hook it up to an amp. i really don't like those digital multi effects things. it may be cheap and convenient, but do you really need all those effects? i'd say find the effects you'd really use and buy some stompboxes. besides sounding better, you have more flexibility over them because they usually have more knobs than a pod would have for the effect. plus, you can arrangethem in different ways, like if you want distortion after delay or something (dunno why you would, but u can do it) and thats not possible with digital modelers.

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/02/2006 - 08:42
hafsteinn wrote: yeah nirvalica, actually the pod is a rack system, and im gonna hook it up to an amp ;)

thanks alot though
i know what the pod is, and i know that you hook it up to an amp. i really don't like those digital multi effects things. it may be cheap and convenient, but do you really need all those effects? i'd say find the effects you'd really use and buy some stompboxes. besides sounding better, you have more flexibility over them because they usually have more knobs than a pod would have for the effect. plus, you can arrangethem in different ways, like if you want distortion after delay or something (dunno why you would, but u can do it) and thats not possible with digital modelers.

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/02/2006 - 13:21
Nirvalica wrote: you have more flexibility over them because they usually have more knobs than a pod would have for the effect. plus, you can arrangethem in different ways, like if you want distortion after delay or something (dunno why you would, but u can do it) and thats not possible with digital modelers.

Spoken like someone who has never used a decent "digital multi effects thingy". The pod has great flexibility (with more parameters than 90% of stomp boxes out there). Plus I use a Pod Pro with a Lexicon MPX1 "digital thingy". I can store 50 different delay/chorus/reverb combinations, called up with the push of one button, all synced to different tempos with different mixes all routed in different orders. That's flexibility!

Wes

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/02/2006 - 14:24
Boltino wrote: [quote=Nirvalica]you have more flexibility over them because they usually have more knobs than a pod would have for the effect. plus, you can arrangethem in different ways, like if you want distortion after delay or something (dunno why you would, but u can do it) and thats not possible with digital modelers.

Spoken like someone who has never used a decent "digital multi effects thingy". The pod has great flexibility (with more parameters than 90% of stomp boxes out there). Plus I use a Pod Pro with a Lexicon MPX1 "digital thingy". I can store 50 different delay/chorus/reverb combinations, called up with the push of one button, all synced to different tempos with different mixes all routed in different orders. That's flexibility!

Westhe lexicon units are good, especially for reverb and delay. im talking about multi effects units like pod, v-amp, tonelab, pandora..... with single pedals, you can move them around in different orders, you have dedicated knobs and no menus (which i hate)

sure, modelers may be fun to mess around with, they are cheap, and have lots of different effects at ur fingertips, but if you care about your sound, you will want to buy single pedals. are you really going to use all those effects and different models on there? just find the effects you will use and buy them separate. for the price of the xtpro (like $700) you can buy about 6 or 7 stompboxes. if thats not enough pedals for you to get ur sound, than i dunno what to tell you, i guess u'd need a xtpro....

Pro Audio Guest Thu, 03/02/2006 - 17:32
Nirvalica wrote: modelers may be fun to mess around with, they are cheap
Nirvalica wrote: for the price of the xtpro (like $700) you can buy about 6 or 7 stompboxes

Uhh, you're contradicting yourself a little.


Nirvalica wrote: you have dedicated knobs and no menus (which i hate)

The knobs are multi-function and you can control it with a computer (menus). That's the definition of flexibility. What do you get on a stomp box?


Nirvalica wrote: you can buy about 6 or 7 stompboxes. if thats not enough pedals for you to get ur sound, than i dunno what to tell you, i guess u'd need a xtpro....

I play in many different situations requiring a huge number of different sounds. Plus, I can layer multiple diverse sounds to create the tone I want in the studio. Ex: A clean "Champish" sound, with a "Voxish" crunch, with a "Plexiish" lead part behind it. I love/own stompboxes, they are great, but don't discount the Pod or modelers in general with vague and false criticism. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Nirvalica wrote: but if you care about your sound, you will want to buy single pedals

It's broad statements like this that make you look stupid. Nothing is that cut and dry.

Wes

Pro Audio Guest Mon, 03/06/2006 - 10:02
hafsteinn wrote: i got a budget of about 3000$ , what equipment do you reccomend , with that in mind im trying to achieve the same sound as in that sound clip

With your budget, judging from the clip, I'd get a pod pro and run it through a great tube amp. It will give you a lot of possibilities. Make sure you have a great tube preamp to run your SM57. You can go direct with the pod, but it leaves something to be desired for high gain stuff IMHO. You could also look at a high gain tube amp like a Mesa Boogie. Be cardful with some of the bigger heads. They have to be cranked arena levels to sound great.

I'd go play a bunch of different amps as well as a pod and see what you like. It it is a specific sound you are after, a distortion stomp box (Maxon, fulltone) may be what you are looking for. Good Luck.

Wes

Pro Audio Guest Mon, 03/06/2006 - 13:58
Nirvalica wrote: check out a peavey 6505 combo

That may be a great amp, but 120 watts is WAY too loud. My 60 watt Fender Hot Rod Deville disturbs my neighbors! I would shoot for something with about 30 watts. Some of the smaller Boogie combos are really nice. Another great amp is the Fender Hod Rod Deluxe. It's 40 watts, but should still do nicely. The gain channels won't be what you want for metal, but the clean channel responds very well to high gain pedals (I use my Deville 410 with a big muff pi). The 12" speaker will give you the low end you are looking for and it won't blow your head off. Don't get me wrong, 40 watts is plenty loud!

Another option is to get a louder amp and invest in a power brake. This simulates a speaker load to let you operate at lower volumes with the same sort of tone you'd expect with it cranked. Dr. Z, Marshall, and THD all make good ones. However, some people don't like the way they sound and I haven't used them enough to know how I feel about them.

I would suggest you go to a local amp store and play the crap out of every amp in there. Check out some stomp boxes and the pod too. And don't be afraid to turn up a little to see how they really sound. Hopefully your local store has a separate "loud room." There are so many great amps out there, you just have to find the one that makes you pee in your pants (in a good way).

Wes

Pro Audio Guest Fri, 03/03/2006 - 12:22
Boltino wrote: [quote=Nirvalica]modelers may be fun to mess around with, they are cheap
Nirvalica wrote: for the price of the xtpro (like $700) you can buy about 6 or 7 stompboxes

Uhh, you're contradicting yourself a little.


Nirvalica wrote: you have dedicated knobs and no menus (which i hate)

The knobs are multi-function and you can control it with a computer (menus). That's the definition of flexibility. What do you get on a stomp box?


Nirvalica wrote: you can buy about 6 or 7 stompboxes. if thats not enough pedals for you to get ur sound, than i dunno what to tell you, i guess u'd need a xtpro....

I play in many different situations requiring a huge number of different sounds. Plus, I can layer multiple diverse sounds to create the tone I want in the studio. Ex: A clean "Champish" sound, with a "Voxish" crunch, with a "Plexiish" lead part behind it. I love/own stompboxes, they are great, but don't discount the Pod or modelers in general with vague and false criticism. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Nirvalica wrote: but if you care about your sound, you will want to buy single pedals

It's broad statements like this that make you look stupid. Nothing is that cut and dry.

Weswhatever stick with your modelers. all i was trying to say is that modelers don't offer the best sound. plain and simple. think about a guitarist with really great tone. one of my favorite tones is srv's. the main components of his sound is a cranked fender tube amp, a strat, and a tubescreamer. you can't get that overdriven blues sound from a modeler.

if it works for you, then good, stick with it. it doesn't work for me though.
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