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C***d-19 - What do you think is really happening?

Since 1999, this community has kept politics, religion and off topic discussions away from here but maybe today we make an exception. I think I'm speaking for the majority of members, hoping we all get through this crazy pandemic and life returns back to some normality.

A huge part of my life is spent here on RO. Each day for the last 21 years I've checked in to see who's registered, what new posts there are, who's online etc. Its been an honor getting to know so many people here, I hope that doesn't change but fear if this keeps going in the direction it currently is going, we may loose some of our members.

So, I want to start a thread for anyone wanting or needing to talk about things going on in your world.

I'm 62 this year, I'm in excellent shape but spent 20 years playing music in really smoky bars. I do not want to die starving for air so I am hunkered down and doing a lot of thinking. There is so much uncertainty.

Are you wondering WTF is happening?
I can't help wonder why the entire world is shutting down for a virus (from what doctors have told us) that kills people just like other viruses. Some people are acting like its of no concern, others are locked down and fear the worst. There are conspiracies that it's the baby boomer remover, China created it to take over the world, Deep state is behind it and so on. Are you worried?

What do you think is happening?

Comments

Kurt Foster Thu, 04/02/2020 - 13:30
there's a lot of screwy ideas floating around out there that are not reality based. there was a reason there was an agency to address the threat of pandemic. Trump shut it down. now all the Trumpanzee's are are saying that it's a Chinese plot, scrambling to cover for their glorious leaders fu*k up..

if some secret Bilderberger Zionist Trilateral commision cabal somewhere is plotting to wipe out 70% of the worlds population i am powerless to stop it but i can wash my hands frequently and stay the f^%K at home. i'm on ssi so i don't have to worry about income limited as mine may be. i'm actually going to get a huge boost from the pay out on the way. for me things are pretty much the same. other than doctor visits i don't leave the house much any way because of my bad back and knees.

audiokid Thu, 04/02/2020 - 15:39
Paul, very sorry to hear about your dear mom. This is all so terrible.

Dave, I’m just repeating some things I’ve read and heard. My family are doctors and I have friends and clients that are also doctors whom all share similar options that it’s clearly not the same as other coronavirus’ but early on the majority of health care professionals did say this. We are all learning new things by the hour. what’s I’ve learned about this is there are a lot of unknowns. It can escalate from no signs to 72 hours later death.

But what is so troubling to me is how so many people just don’t care.
There is a lot of theories how this started and a lot of areas putting blame on something.

I personally think regardless of how it started, we should all be hunkered down until further notice.

I wish our Canadian gov would have locked everything down the moment we started hearing about Wuhan.

Its all so unbelievable.

kmetal Thu, 04/02/2020 - 15:52
My condolences Paul. That is awful.
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I think this shows some cultural and economic vulnerabilities. Wet markets should be reformed into something safe imho.

Economically i see two things. The idea of UBI (universal basic income) has been floating around and supported by me. Andrew Yang proposed paying for it with a corperate growth tax, which currently does not exist, but would force fast growing, but profit burying companies like Amazon, to contribute to taxes. There has never been a clearer example of how useful ubi can be.

The other is automation. People concerned about a robot doomsday might not be completely irrational. However if a widespread automation system was in place, production, and delivery of goods, would still be taking place virtually uninterrupted. "Jobs" of reficulous obsolescence like checkout clerks, fast food servers, and bank tellers, would be deemed work that is insulting to propose for a human. the notion of this stuff as a form of employment (or slavery if you ask me) would be long gone, with those humans doing more rewarding jobs.

The need Medical care reform is nothing new.

My main worry is for my 70yr old parents. I worry not about myself since ive grown indifferent to existence over a decade ago.

Ive been collecting ssi/disability for about 3 years since my spine injury finally became intolerable, so while the sum is meager, i am greatful, and my lifestyle has been largely unchanged, since my injury and side effects have left me largely housebound. I reserve my back for needs only, and have helpful family members. I had been planning another round of doctor visits this spring, to add to the over 20 different ones ive seen for my injury, so that is now looking like its pushed further back.

America has announced a 42 week emergency unemployment for self employed, and private contractors, however the mainframe system from 1972, will likely be overloaded. This subsidy is a welcome action.

Workers with mortgages are who i feel most worried for financially. Banks have routinely set traps like the 08 mortgage crisis, and froth at the mouth to take peoples homes. I worry landloards will not get rent, and lose thier property leaving them and tenants homeless.

Ive had moderate OCD much of my adult life, and many of the sanitation habits of old are (finally) being exposed as inadequate, and some things deemed as a "disorder" are suddenly rational.

As we know in audio the chain is strong as its weakest link, and i think this epidemic is an extremely unfortunate wake up call, which no longer allows known issues to be swept under the rug in favor of self interest in politics.

I do think corporations will catch wind of just how many people can be productive in "work from home" situation, and the financial burden of expensive leases for corperate real estate, will seem like a folly of the old world. Perhaps homelessness can be focused on with all the resulting real estate.

Lastly, i worry about the 3rd world. Many of whom don't have running water, and due routinely of infection, and starvation. I fear they stand no chance. I also see an opportunity for corperate greed to leverage even more of their natural resources (trees, oil, metals) in exchange for money, with a heavy discount. These areas will feel the squeeze.

The beggining of the end of my studies as a finance major in college, was 12 classes shy of my degree. The days lesson was "putting morals aside when making business decisions". Literally. That was the title of the section in the book. The instructor went on to explain why morals had no place in profit based decisions, and must be ignored for successful operations, when a moral conflict arises.

I left after completing my third year. No regrets i learned many interesting and useful things and generally enjoyed college.

My point in mentioning this is that the drooling corperate greed will certainly not subside, and the race to production of essential goods, medicines and tech, will be accelerated in an effort for profits and sustainability. So in a counterintuitive way, i see the pubic actually benefiting from the big business world's insatiable appetite, at least in certain areas.

Sorry to be long winded. I need something to do as i download nearly 1tb of samples and programs for the ryzen 5 laptop i scooped a couple months back. This test machine has been fun so far and a great dry run for the stack of parts i have waiting to become a 4 computer master/slaves system.

I think we should thank the content providers who are supplying us with stuff to entertain ourselves.

I will also extend my offering of help to any of the members here who may find themselves in need. I will gladly contribute what i can.

Long live RO!

bouldersound Thu, 04/02/2020 - 23:11
Ebola can be very contagious and deadly, but it's generally easy to see when someone has it. If you see someone bleeding from their eyes, move away. It spread readily in Africa where they traditionally had a lot of contact with the dead. It's easier to prevent transmitting it than something that doesn't even show symptoms in 20% of those who get infected. COVID-19 could easily infect almost 100% of humans if measures aren't taken. One percent of 7.8 billion is a lot of people.

Tony Carpenter Thu, 04/02/2020 - 23:32
We are settling into our lovely old Victorian home in a little village here in West Yorkshire England. Last night most people at 8pm got out their door or window clapping and or cheering our National Health Service. As most of you know I lived in the USA for about 17 years in total.
One of my hopes is that you all will get something like we have and the insurance industry of cash for before care will finally disintegrate over there.

I haven’t unpacked my studio yet. My wife has completely unpacked the rest of the house with me doing the odd job here and there as requested :). We have internet access, I have already made friends with neighbours at a safe distance.

Its a strange world, a world where we can see starkly the issues more so than ever before. @kmetal I agree with some of what you say, but, there are some people who simply aren’t capable of doing much else than the jobs they do. There are a lot too who actually love doing service / hospitality type work.

Keep safe,

Your minstrel

paulears Thu, 04/02/2020 - 23:41
My assumption is that the actual disease is fairly trivial as I think my wife and I have probably had it and not noticed and we have it to mum.

what’s happened here seems a social study. We did not heed the most important advice. We are not very good at being clean. Toilet hygiene is bad so the few who don’t bother distribute it to everyone.
Then you see instances of bad behaviour then the reaction then realisation. In the social distancing queues at supermarkets people are talking and for once, understanding across social class groups we pretend don’t exist any longer, but of course they do but it’s not PC to talk about them.

clearly our rights are over stated. Perhaps in the US it’ll be worse because rights are very established. To fix this rights need controlling. This will be trouble!
If the disease was Ebola it’s now obvious to every government that rights have to be rigidly curtailed. Thank god the disease is bad flu or a cold! Governments world wide now have data on how their plans worked or didn’t. You can bet that the terrorist organisations have watched this very carefully. If the entire world panicked With such a mild disease just imagine. My guess is that all governments will be taking secret and severe steps to protect for the future. Biggest concern since the Cold War and we’ve all been very lax.

bouldersound Fri, 04/03/2020 - 00:39
The disease is not trivial for the 1-2% that die, or for the percentage that have permanent damage. I don't have a lot of family. One of them (who lives far from me) is on a ventilator and it doesn't look good. I don't live in a large town but we've had one death, someone I probably interacted with at a previous job. I don't live in the most populous US state but we have almost 4k cases and 100 deaths in less than a month. This state's response is considered among the best yet the number of new cases per day might just be leveling off. A 1% death rate might seem low, but this is so transmissible that it could infect billions, and then the number of dead will be very high, and it will swamp hospitals for months at a time. Many won't get treated, including people with other medical issues. Bodies could pile up in the streets like in Ecuador. In New York they're already using semi trucks (articulated lorries) to take bodies from hospitals. Morgues and funeral homes are overflowing.

Social distancing works. The leveling of new cases where I live shows that. Once the numbers are drastically lowered it will give us time to build up supplies of PPE and test kits, and we can go back to something like a normal life. When it pops up again, and it will, the scale will be small enough that health officials can go in with test kits and trace all the contacts. They can isolate just the people suspected or known to have been infected so the rest of us can carry on.

On a slightly lighter note, I took this opportunity to re-watch the BBC series Survivors. It's a 1975-77 show about a virus that wipes out 99% of humans. It's quite entertaining and it's a reminder of how good we have it however bad it seems.

dvdhawk Fri, 04/03/2020 - 01:09
I hope you guys do a lot better in Canada. I think we are in for some very difficult times here, but I would be very glad to be wrong about that.

I'm basing my opinion on several doctors that are career epidemiologists with no political axe to grind. A variety of doctors with real experience studying the spread and mitigation of past outbreaks. (SARS, MERS, Zika, Ebola, bird flu, swine flu, etc.) Most of whom have said the US was ill-prepared and slow to act, and we're in for months of economic hardship and human suffering as we try to figure out how to keep a society going so we can survive - without endangering those most at risk.

What seems to make this virus so much harder to contain is the fact that an infected person can spread the disease for 5 days or more before showing a single symptom. (Meanwhile, unknowingly infecting the people around them for those 5 days) A few can even carry the virus without ever developing the symptoms themselves. So the daily numbers you see aren't the people who caught it today, it's the number of people who got infected last week and have (on average) infected 2.0 - 2.5 others since then.

Closer to home, in less than a month the state of Pennsylvania has gone from 2 cases to 7016 [with 90 deaths]. That's exponential growth in a state that (like it or not) started the first stages of shutting things down in the hotspot areas 3 weeks ago. As the cases spread and numbers went up, they incrementally expanded restrictions and the areas involved, and now the Stay at Home Order is statewide - with certain essential exclusions. Other states still haven't done anything to slow the spread in any way, following weeks of denial at the federal level. Nobody wants to believe this is happening, but the numbers speak for themselves. I'm really glad I live in a part of the state that is mostly forest and farmland, but my kids and grandkids are a lot closer to the hotzones.

As much as people hate being told what to do, the only way to ever slow this thing down is to stay home and keep our distance. It shouldn't be about whether a person thinks they're too young, too strong, too healthy to suffer any consequences directly. It should be about that otherwise healthy person caring enough about others to do anything possible to avoid transmitting it to a vulnerable person.

That's 7016 cases in Pennsylvania (as of today, Apr. 2nd), and still climbing steeply. Meanwhile, PA has just 3169 ICU beds and a total of 34,816 hospital beds in all. What's going to happen when those numbers collide? Who's going to make the life and death decision on who gets a bed and/or a ventilator to survive? How long can the health care professionals hold up under impossible conditions and workload?

Again, I would really, really, really be glad to be wrong about all of it.

audiokid Fri, 04/03/2020 - 08:55
I can’t help but be compassionate, concerned and worried for us all.
Those who really think there is no reason to be concerned, that this is all bloated I can’t help but say this to them... even though some people won’t die from it, they should still be worried about SPREADING IT because “we” are ultimately ALL going to get the bill for it. “We are all in this together” so if you aren’t worried about others getting it, worry about paying for the bill.

The current amount of people effected from this is happening so quickly that our healthcare providers can’t get enough PPE for protection or to be protected themselves. Anyone not taking this seriously is still exposing others which is causing shortages in protection equipment. This is all costing billions in healthcare cost.
If this wasn’t happening at a rate it is, we wouldn’t have to shut the world down.

Kurt Foster Fri, 04/03/2020 - 09:54
audiokid, post: 463821, member: 1 wrote: our healthcare providers can’t get enough PPE for protection or to be protected themselves

the result of corporate demands for just in time production and inventory limiting to maximize profits. it costs money to stockpile inventory. very short sighted. everything's fine until someone gets their eye poked out. now it will cost more to get us out of this mess than it would have cost to be prepared for emergencies.

it's indecent and immoral for medicine to be a for profit venture. what kind of people want to profit from others suffering? only the worst.

the orange one and turtle boy view the whole thing as an opportunity to cash in. Trump and his cronies knew about this a long time before the sh*t hit the fan. like a year ago. a lot of them liquidated their stocks and bought into companies that make medical equipment and supplies. months ago, the EU offered equipment and tests but "The Don" wanted his cronies and financial supporters to be the ones to profit from the crisis so he refused their offers.

audiokid Fri, 04/03/2020 - 09:56
Kurt Foster, post: 463823, member: 7836 wrote: the result of corporate demands for just in time production and inventory limiting to maximize profits. it costs money to stockpile inventory. very short sighted. everything's fine until someone gets their eye poked out. it's indecent and immoral for medicine to be a for profit venture. what kind of people want to profit from others suffering? only the worst. the orange one and turtle boy viewed the whole thing ans an opportunity to cash in.
Absolutely agree!

Kurt Foster, post: 463823, member: 7836 wrote: Trump and his cronies knew about this a long time before the sh*t hit the fan. like a year ago. a lot of them liquidated their stocks and bought into companies that make medical equipment and supplies. the EU offered equipment and tests but "The Don" wanted his cronies and financial supporters to profit from the crisis so he refused their offers..
Absolutely disagree.

audiokid Fri, 04/03/2020 - 10:09
Kurt Foster, post: 463826, member: 7836 wrote: Jared sold all his holdings in the stock market a month before the crash ...... several senators cashed out too. right in the middle of the strongest market ever. coincidence? they knew ......
And likely others too.

I personally think this kind of belief is the ongoing political media BS directly responsible for wasting tax payers money and tearing the country apart. Spreading THEIR narrative during this crisis is exactly what you are being groomed to do. I'm sure some insiders including people whom support China "off shore industry" is loving this narrative too. Or afraid they will loose China as their invested honey hole.
The drug companies here or in China are all about money. They create a need for healthy people to need drugs. I'm so pissed off that we have allowed China to take over all the drugs and most everything we need today, including pro audio gear. WTF is wrong with that picture.

Kurt Foster Fri, 04/03/2020 - 10:23
its not a narrative Chris. the media is not responsible Trump is. all the media does is report facts. when facts don't support Trumps right wing fascist world view, he calls it fake news. he hates the free press. Trump is the fake and he's the one responsible for the mess we are in now and the media should not be expected to just get in line behind our glorious leader. it's not Germany during the 30's ....... yet. another fact .... most of the media in the USA is owned by Republicans.

audiokid, post: 463827, member: 1 wrote: I'm sure some insiders including people whom support China "off shore industry" is loving this narrative too. Or afraid they will loose China as their invested honey hole.
The drug companies here or in China are all about money. They create a need for healthy people to need drugs. I'm so pissed off that we have allowed China to take over all the drugs and most everything we need today, including pro audio gear. WTF is wrong with that picture.

you know i have never been a fan of Chinese production. the thing a lot of people miss is most of the money that built China's industry came from western investors (Trumps cronies) who moved production offshore for cheap labor that can be controlled under totalitarian rule.
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