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alright I'm pretty new to this recording stuff but... This summer I'm setting a little home studio-esque type thing and I need some input on what to get.

First of all I plan on getting pro tools (the edition you can get at guitar center or musiciansfriend) I'd rather not get Cubase since I've used it before, and I've only seen professional studios use pro tools.

Also, I need a mixer that will allow each mic to appear as a seperate track within pro tools.

Alsoooo I need to get a good set of monitors (and maybe a sub) (Ive used rockets or w/e there called before and i liked them, so I'll probably go with them) unless anyone has a better suggestion

as for mics I'm not in the market for Neumann or anything, but I want a nice, instrumental tone on the drums (something like explosions on the sky) so i need some mics that would give the drums that sound...

-thx

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BobRogers Sat, 04/22/2006 - 04:37
Casey-

Let's look at the software question again. My take is that you should buy the buy the system that gives you the most resources for learning to use it. For instance, I decided to buy a Pro Tools LE system because I knew two people who used PT and could ask them questions. I also knew that Berkeley had online courses (not cheap) that I could take if I really needed a big push up the learning curve. All of these systems have advantages and disadvantages (shotgun is right about the drawbacks of PT), but none of them is any good if you get stuck and don't really learn to use it. They are all deep pieces of software, and it is nice if there are other resources than trial and error, reading manuals, and getting free advice on line. So unless those pro studios are going to give you a hand learing the system, it doesn't matter what they are using. The question to ask is: what are the people who can help you using?

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JWL Sun, 04/23/2006 - 13:59
backinthelab wrote: [quote=TeddyG]In all fairness, I think I've put about 150 bucks into my room treatment and it's fine... Yes, the bass response would be poor, but, as I don't "do" bass, I'm OK.

Does anyone else find humor in this?
Heh. I wasn't gonna say anything....

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MadMax Sun, 04/23/2006 - 15:46
JWL wrote: [quote=backinthelab][quote=TeddyG]In all fairness, I think I've put about 150 bucks into my room treatment and it's fine... Yes, the bass response would be poor, but, as I don't "do" bass, I'm OK.

Does anyone else find humor in this?
Heh. I wasn't gonna say anything....
What the hell, go ahead.

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Pro Audio Guest Thu, 04/27/2006 - 23:30
XcaseyjonesX wrote: [quote=TheRealShotgun][quote=XcaseyjonesX]alright I'm pretty new to this recording stuff but... This summer I'm setting a little home studio-esque type thing and I need some input on what to get.

First of all I plan on getting pro tools (the edition you can get at guitar center or musiciansfriend) I'd rather not get cubase since I've used it before, and I've only seen professional studios use pro tools.

Also, I need a mixer that will allow each mic to appear as a seperate track within pro tools.

Alsoooo I need to get a good set of monitors (and maybe a sub) (Ive used rockets or w/e there called before and i liked them, so I'll probably go with them) unless anyone has a better suggestion

as for mics I'm not in the market for Neumann or anything, but I want a nice, instrumental tone on the drums (something like explosions on the sky) so i need some mics that would give the drums that sound...

-thx

Allow me to translate this:

"Dear Sirs,
I want to put a rekording stoodeo in my house. I don't have allot of munney, but i figger on buying the most expensive rekording platform available becuz I've seen it in stoodios where Matchbox20 rekords and stuff. Thassok, rite?"

No, it ain't ok.

Now, lemme expand on what JWL has told you, because a good bit of it is right on, power brother. But first, Behringer truth monitors are utter shit, just FYI.

Now, drop the ProTools idea and drop the Behringer micpre setup. They're utter shit too. Instead, go with the Firepod idea and Cubase. I don't care what you've seen in studios. Seriously, get THAT fucking idea out of your little pea brain RIGHT now. You've seen ProTools in studios? Yeah, you've also fuckin seen Trident A-range desks and $10,000 mics too. ProTools is nothing but JUST ANOTHER SOFTWARE package that follows the Apple model of using proprietary hardware, forced and frequent upgrades and releasing Beta software to users. It's a fucking moneypit.

However, by buying the Firepod and Cubase you spend $600 to replace the $680 in JWL's list for the ProTools, M-Audio Delta and 8 channel preamp. In either case, you don't need a mixer at all. And quite frankly, Cubase it awesome software.

If you wanted to save even a little more money you could drop the Rode NT-1a (which IS a great mic) and replace it with an MXL 990. The price difference is about $130 and the MXL is an adequate vocal/whatever LDC mic. In fact, it can be quite good with a good source.

And if you DO save all that money, you can also drop those ass-tastic Behringer nearfields in lieu of a set of KRK V6's or V8's which will sound a good deal better.

So your revised suggestion list goes like this:

Presonus Firepod w/8 mic ins,
& Cubase SE: 599.99
KRK V6II active nearfields: 349.99
$180 CAD 6 piece drum mics: 180.00
MXL 990 LDC: 69.99
-----------------------------------------------
TOTAL: 1,197.99


Now then, also remember that you're going to need to budget about $100 for mic cables, $40 for a good set of headphones, and somewhere to PUT all of this shit, plus a couple spiral notebooks, some pens, oh and don't forget to make sure your PC has a CD burner and a stack of CDs close by. If you got a DVD burner even better, because you're going to want to archive a lot of data at some point.

Which puts you at $1,339.97 assuming you got a stack of CDs already.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the heartbreak of recording. Don't be a dumass. Let us know how we can be of assistance.

Love ya,
~S

listen, the real shotgun... before you try to act like a condescending cunt, how bout you NOT refernece matchbox twenty, since that's probably what you were listening to when you decided to stop masturbating and post on my thread. As I said before, I was fucking new to it, like you were at one time, before you, somewhere along the line, became jesus christ. Anyway, thanks for your input you fucking prick

hey man,

i wouldnt have said it quite like shotgun put it, but I agree with the points he makes and would recommend going with more of a setup he is suggesting.

Don't let the way someone says something to you write off what they actually say. Especially when you're on an online forum. and ESPECIALLY when you're on recording.org's online forums. :roll:


Youd be MUCH better off going for something like the presonus firepod & cubase! you DO NOT want your front end to be behringer preamps! (emphasis on the "!").

Pro Tools is SO overrated, especially the consumer orientated "LE"-type versions. Go the route of getting the best quality gear and software you can afford--dont get something at this point in the game because of its name or the aura that surrounds it.

btw, one of my friends has the firepod and it is VERY usable and frankly ive been impressed with the quality of sound he's been able to get using a unit that goes for around $600 with 8 channels. He also got it brand new off ebay for a steal of a price! Look for a good deal on one of those, and a few QUALITY microphones (they dont have to be super expensive.... get a 57, a couple mxl603s, etc. ).

good luck whatever way you go,

-dan

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Pro Audio Guest Fri, 04/28/2006 - 11:35
photoresistor wrote:
Pro Tools is SO overrated, especially the consumer orientated "LE"-type versions. Go the route of getting the best quality gear and software you can afford--dont get something at this point in the game because of its name or the aura that surrounds it.

come on now. let's not jump on the protools le is shite bandwagon. yes, for a total budget of $1500 bucks, you are likely to be able to produce shite results from a mbox and a couple of aweful mics, but lets think of some of the ADVANTAGES of using protools le.

First off, the plugins. You can get some very professional results from RTAS plugins. Just to name a few I use every day, Soundreplacer, Sony Oxford EQ/Reverb/Dynamics (awesome plugins), Waves, bombfactory's compressors, Autotune, etc, etc, etc. There are thousands more, these ones just came to my mind as I use them regularly. (no they are not pirated. I paid a lot more money in plugins than I did for the entire protools setup, INCLUDING all the damn updates)

Second, studio compatibility. I can take my firewire drive to several studios here that have Neves, API consoles, Trident consoles, etc. I can record drums, guitars, vocals or whatever I want at these studios for my higher paying clients, take it back to my place do overdubs, mixing, etc. I still am able to make money on every project I work on, and I get the option of using Neumanns, Soundelux, AKG, nice desks, and GOOD SOUNDING ROOMS for between 30-60/hr depending on the studio, AND I don't have to use their engineers.

I personally own a digi002R and I couldn't be happier. I can edit in PT LE faster than any other platform, and as soon as I upgrade to the music production kit (uggh $500), I get 48 tracks and multi-track beat-detective.

There are things I would like to upgrade, but jesus efffin h christ. Spend more time working with good bands, and you'll stop caring so much about this vs. that and blah blah blah. In shotgun's OWN words:

Shotty wrote:
If, on the other hand, you get a hardon from your gear; and, you can be perfectly happy spending an entire evening moving faders around, making test CDs and running out to the car to hear them on those shitty Kraco speakers and then running back in to adjust; and, you don't much give a shit about writing songs except maybe every now and then when the wife pisses you off but you dearly love getting on board with a good band or songwriter and you know that your heart will be happy by helping them make their art into something even better than it was before even though you know damn well that everyone that hears the record will never know your name and will think every bit of brilliance that comes out of those speakers is the artist alone (and if you kind of think that way yourself), then...then, my friend, you may just be ready to do a little archiving of audio signals.

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Pro Audio Guest Fri, 04/28/2006 - 15:46
I meant in no way that Pro Tools is crap or bad... Im simply saying that it is incredibly overrated by many recording enthusiasts, but worse, musicians.

If you hear half the things I hear about how bloody amazing pro tools is from people who have absolutely no clue about anything recording you would be agreeing with me right now.

You don't know how many times people just getting into recording gear brag to me about how they have pro tools, or from musicians how some person starting some studio in their bedroom 'has pro tools!!!!!! (LE they got when they bought their $500 interface)' and that they've obviously got a much better setup than I do because I don't run Pro Tools.

It is incredibly annoying, and thats where I speak from. No doubt Pro Tools is a powerful tool--its just not the god of everything recording most people think it is.

No disrespect intended...


-dan

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Pro Audio Guest Fri, 04/28/2006 - 18:10
photoresistor wrote: ...they've obviously got a much better setup than I do because I don't run Pro Tools.

i agree completely :)


photoresistor wrote:
No disrespect intended...

none taken. i totally get what you are saying. i love editing in protools and have so much invested in it at this point, for me to switch would just cost too much, although i have considered it quite a bit.

-steve

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Davedog Sat, 04/29/2006 - 11:40
My friend, Mr. Shotgun, has again so deftly summed up the answers to the question at hand, that its unecessary at this point (or any other for that matter) for me to nay-say, poo-poo, or cause an incitement of any kind towards this subject matter.


However....It seems our 'boy' re:'caseyjones' has upped his back and perhaps fled the scene when all he really had to do was put away any sort of ego existant in his molecular sized brainpan and listen to what is being offered. I will add a piece of gear that few talk about yet ALL demonstrate regularly as a real need....That being EGO CONTROL.

If my friend Mr.Shotguns' statements offended you in any way, then you are in the ABSOLUTE WRONG PATH OF ENDEVOUR. really.no, really.


Suppose for a minute that you've pulled yourself out of the recording-for-beginners muck and are starting to get a HANDLE on how and why and such....You get a client in to the room you know and love and built with your own hands from the ground up goddamnit dont tell me what to do............ okay, this guy and his band of demons come in and lay down some crap that sounds like dirty underalls' smell...they leave for the night. You have all the ego you need so....YOU spend all night and the next day and some of the next day mixing up crap thats NEVER going to work...and ,satisfied, (because you've become a genius) you print it to stereo certain that they'll buy it.

Next scene. They come back. You play it for them. Zero reaction. Your mind races....'How could it be bad? I'm a fricking genius in my ownroomibuiltfromscratchwithmyownhandsarrrggghhhhhhh........fuck.

Trust me. This is not made up.

If you cant handle direct constructive critique then dont bother posting......kay? This business is not a box of chocolates nor is it a bowl of cherries. Think about it junior.

$1500 aint gonna buy you patience,a direct learning curve, or what you need to deal with situations out of your control.

If you have in mind being the next big producer thingy, then ya better learn the rules and whys and wherefores and the reasons things go bump in the night.

Do they sell bottles of that stuff down at Gitarget?
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