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Hello!

i do have to mix this project where the OH tracks are really lacking snare...
Well, there is none of it in there...
The problem is i can't get the snare to fit with the rest, it's always in front of everything...

I tried EQs, comp, reverb,... but it still up infront of everything...

Has anybody ever dealt with that kind of problem???

thanks for your help.

Rob.

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TheArchitect Sun, 02/03/2008 - 06:06
niclaus wrote: Hello!

i do have to mix this project where the OH tracks are really lacking snare...
Well, there is none of it in there...
The problem is i can't get the snare to fit with the rest, it's always in front of everything...

I tried EQs, comp, reverb,... but it still up infront of everything...

Has anybody ever dealt with that kind of problem???

thanks for your help.

Rob.

Are you sayingthere was a snare mic used and the sound doesn't fit?

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TheArchitect Sun, 02/03/2008 - 06:08
niclaus wrote: Hello!

i do have to mix this project where the OH tracks are really lacking snare...
Well, there is none of it in there...
The problem is i can't get the snare to fit with the rest, it's always in front of everything...

I tried EQs, comp, reverb,... but it still up infront of everything...

Has anybody ever dealt with that kind of problem???

thanks for your help.

Rob.

Are you sayingthere was a snare mic used and the sound doesn't fit?

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mark_van_j Thu, 01/31/2008 - 19:12
Am I missing something here? If you're close miking the kit, wouldn't you want the least bleed possible? If it's too upfront, can't you just pull the fader down?

I'm sorry for being so obvious, but I just don't seem to understand...


EDIT: Didn't see there was a second page in this topic, and just noticed Davedog already posting this question, and yes reverb would be the answer... :oops:

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moonbaby Thu, 01/10/2008 - 05:54
TheFraz wrote: my guess is that you did not try the right things with EQ comp and reverb
Yeah, right...
All of the signal processing in the world isn't going to fix it in the mix. For starters, EQ'ing the frequency band that the snare's tone lies in will make the cymbals sound like trash can lids. And adding compression to the overheads will cause the cymbals to "hang" like a Carlos Santana solo. Adding reverb? To overheads? Talk about mud!
Can you go back and re-track the kit? Whoever recorded it (not you?) obviously didn't treat this kit as a SINGLE instrument, played by a SINGLE player. And didn't have the monitoring environment to make the right decisions on mic technique before commiting the sound "to tape". Or disc, whatever the media.
Is the snare part simple enough to be "flown in" by overdubbing or a sample?

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niclaus Thu, 01/10/2008 - 06:15
moonbaby wrote:
MY guess is that you didn't mic the kit correctly when you recorded it in the first place.

Well, yeah, i know that, but i'm not the one who did the tracking so there's not much i can do about that...
Ain't there any trick to help me with that...???

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moonbaby Thu, 01/10/2008 - 06:23
I edited my original reply. SOMETIMES you can fudge it with a sample played over the snare part, if the part is simple enough. That's a big IF.
You can TRY having the drummer play the snare parts over and "fly " that in. I have had very little luck with that unless the part was a simple part played by a skilled drummer.

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niclaus Thu, 01/10/2008 - 07:16
Thanks for your answer...

But no there is no way of redubbing it since it's a pretty tricky part, plus the drummer is not THAT skilled, and will never be able to do it again...

"All of the signal processing in the world isn't going to fix it in the mix."

Well, that's what i think, but i wandered if there could be a trick to make things better... Well, i guess i will have to live with that then...

i guess that is why we have that saying " shit IN, well, shit OUT"... No miracles...

Thank you so much anyway...

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RemyRAD Thu, 01/10/2008 - 13:05
So you have a lousy sounding snare drum track? And it's actually 2 separate tracks? Top & bottom? And you don't hear any snare drum in any of the other drum microphones including overheads? WTF?

No problem. There's plenty of ways to fix this. I need tohear this so, can you post a mix or separate tracks?

None of the other suggestions are appropriate and certainly won't help to fix your abortion. This is where experience is necessarily. And I'm talking phase flipping, noise generation & gating, side chained selective dynamics. The right reverb algorithms and voilà! Oh yeah, some equalization to taste.

Mixing in analog or digital or both?

Doing it all
Ms. Remy Ann David

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niclaus Thu, 01/10/2008 - 13:17
well, you got it right... The different tracks are close mics so you don't have that much snare in there...

I'll try to post some sample as soon as possible, but i'm away right now so it should take a cuple of days before i can put a hand on the disk...

Phase fipping??Noise generation?? What would you do there? Can you explain a little bit??

Anyway thanks for your help, and again, i'll post some samples ass soon as possible...

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bent Thu, 01/10/2008 - 13:23
Well, first off, is it always up front if you mute the snare tracks?


I realize that sounds like a dumb question, but until we get to hear some of it I can't tell you whether you have an EQ issue, a phase problem, or if simply moving the track a few ms will help...

BTW, what are you recording to?

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bent Thu, 01/10/2008 - 14:28
Phase simplified:




If you have mics that are out of phase, like the example on the right, you've gotta flip one of the two (or more) to get them to work together as shown on the left.

In some cases it's preferable to move a track forward in time a few milliseconds to make something stand out.


That said, I don't think your problem lies there.

How long have you been pushin' the faders?

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