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Wrongful work approaches to Independent recording artists.

I have a good home studio where I produce my music.
Since '96 after countless demo submissions etc I am yet to earn any income from my work.
I persist, it being my passion and I believe, my calling in life.
Yesterday I was contacted by a past aquintance.
He asked me to produce 2 x 60 second musical pieces which were to be the music for the theme and end credits for a Television show. The music he wanted was quite involved, it requiring me to attain score etc as my reference. Two classical pieces. The television channel involved is a particularly well known one.
My payment for my work for this ? . .Nothing.
Apart from having my name listed on the end credits of the TV show.
How can people like this and particularly the television channel be stopped from taking advantage of independent recording artists / engineers in this arrogant and disconsiderent way ?
If there happens to be any formal body or company that can repremand these users I would be very interested to know.


Pro Audio Guest Sat, 11/25/2006 - 06:49
TVPostSound wrote:
My payment for my work for this ? .....Nothing. How can people like this and particularly the television channel be stopped from taking advantage of independent recording artists / engineers in this arrogant and disconsiderent way ?

Why did you not charge for your work???
You have no one to blame but yourself for giving away your talents.

The television channel has nothing to do with this, the shows executive producer was paid, why didnt he pay you???
You obviously misunderstood my post.
First off read my lips you fool. The television channel believe me has EVERYTHING to do with it. Why? It's glaringly obvious. The show's executive producer works for and on behalf of the television channel.
Therefore ANYBODY employed by that television channel IS that television channel and ALL are responsible.
Secondly, plainly my post was an enquiry as to what official organisations if any might help PROTECT independent recording artists and enginners from unscrupulous users like the afore mentioned.
Finally and most importantly, do you think I would be so damn stupid as to work for free ? NEVER ! NEVER ! NEVER !
I told the contact who originally foolishly approached me about the work what he could do with it.
I'm sure you are aware of the phrase " where the sun doesn't shine.

Pro Audio Guest Sat, 11/25/2006 - 06:59
zemlin wrote: As long as you're willing to work for free, folks are going to take advantage of it. If you want to get paid for your work, send them a quote for the job. If they like your work and your rates are reasonable, you'll get paid.

Hi Zemlin. Love your photo. Read my quote reply to TVpostsound.
And by the way, I've made quite good earnings from my studio work. In fact recently I'm signed with a 3 year contract.
I referred to my DEMO submissions that were'nt being heard by the right ears ( up until now that is ).
As you of course will well realise there is OTHER work that audio engineers do in their studios isn't there. It's paid me well.

CombatWombat Sat, 11/25/2006 - 09:10
I still don't get it. You first postmake it sound like you did the work and got your name in the credits. Is that the case or not? Your next post makes it sound like you told them to take a hike. Which is it?

If you did the work without negotiating any sort of contract and just expected to work it out later, then you're the fool.

If you they told you up front that they wouldn't pay for your work and you told them to get lost, then you didn't get taken adavantage of and are just complaining that they would even come to you under those terms?

You're not making a lot of sense.

Pro Audio Guest Tue, 01/23/2007 - 06:30
CombatWombat wrote: Jesus Christ! Listen to yourself! You sound like a little kid. I don't know who you think you're impressing by tossing out the insults and throwing a little temper tantrum. It reminds me of my 6-year-old nephew, seriously.

I'm glad you have enough "god damn industry experience" to know that you shouldn't work for free. Congrats. :yes:

And, just to let you in on a little secret about communication. If you send out a message, and no one understands's YOUR fault. Not ours. Interesting concept!


Thought I'd return for a laugh.
Tyler, I definately 'aint religious but never use " the Lord's " name in vain.
Incredible isn't it. NONE of you floundering fools have as yet offered ANY constructive suggests.
I can think of one organisation that might just be of help. APRA.
If you happen to be an Australian, it's the Australian Performers Rights Association.
Simple... that's the kind of answers that I was hoping I might receive - not a flood of abuse.
To the person who said " If I send a post that no one can understand "
etc.... my post was easy enough for any simpleton to understand....seemingly.

G'night all. ...forever