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yes, the tube preamp.

I have a TL Audio C1 preamp/compressor.
I just love what it does to my bass patches. My NL2 is permanently patched in channel A, my SE-1x channel B. The *only* thing I dont like about it is that there's no output trI'm control so I have to be careful not to clip the converters when I'm overdriving the signal. Not a deal breaker.

What are some other tube pre's I can look at getting for running my synths though? Not specifically for bass patches, but mostly. I just like that sound. I can't keep bouncing back and forth because I only have 2 channels.

The C1 was used for 650$ and I dont expect to find something that cheap really. The perfect setup would be a preamp/compressor combo, prefereably 2 or more channels, but mono is fine too if it is as sexy as a Vipre. I'm not comfortable with compressors that have a fixed attack to use for my synths either, so LA-2A is out.

Some pieces I'm considering for 3k or less:

UA 6176
pros: covers the bases for the channel strip I'm seeking, UA quality
cons: ?

GT Vipre
pros: Based on reputation alone, this is probably going to sound like liquid gold. I love looking at this piece.
cons: over budget and no compressor.

PreSonus ADL 600:
pros: rave reviews, 2 channels, under budget far enough I could purchase a compressor to pair it with.
cons: ?

I'm 0/4 getting gear recommendations from you guys. Someone has got to have an idea on a preamp/compressor pairing for this specific application.
Dont they?


Pro Audio Guest Thu, 05/18/2006 - 21:14
I only have the 6176, but here are some thoughts anyway:

The 6176 sounds great on bass sounds, particularly DI'ed bass guitar (when you want that thick sound). The 610 pre and its EQ work well with dark sounds. And the 1176 comp is -- well, the 1176. It's a standard that sounds great.

To add, you can split the 610 and 1176. So, they can be mixed with other gear.

One potential drawback though regarding keyboard bass: the 6176 is mono. No stereo throughput.

Honestly though, can you go wrong with any of your pre choices? All are highly-reputed.

Pro Audio Guest Fri, 05/19/2006 - 13:51
saemskin wrote: [quote=chrispick]
To add, you can split the 610 and 1176. So, they can be mixed with other gear.

how does it sound when you slam the meter all theway over?
It sounds great. I don't know how to describe it if you're not familiar with the 1176 other than to say it adds a musical kind of gain-distortion before release.

Another nice things about about the 6176: Its 1176 has a bypass, a 1:1 (so you can just add 76 color), and an ALL-IN setting (like pressing in all the buttons on a regular 76).

re: the Presonus ADL 600 -- Yeah, Presonus makes some low-end stuff, but this item isn't one of them. It gets a lot of praise from top mix engineers. I have't used it, but it's one I might consider for a future purchase.

re: The GT -- That one looks the coolest. Definitely has the most client-awe appeal.

Davedog Fri, 05/19/2006 - 17:35
So...Clive....have you been close enough to an ADL600 to actually touch one? If so did you notice how heafty it is and how structurally sound the case for it is? Did you also know that it was designed by Anthony DeMaria who makes some pretty damn good compressors and preamps on his own? Come to think of it, did you know that not only does the ADL600 have transformers, it also has tubes and it operates on a 600 volt rail. In case you're not familiar with this, it means that everything inside has to rather high-end or its gonna melt....

Why dont you share with us your expertise on this particular item and tell us why you think its junk. I'd be interested as I know others are.

Put up or shut up.

BTW...I also LOVE the ViPre. Used it a bit. Love it love it...etc....and at a higher price for ONE channel...well you see my point... which I believe saemskin already covered......

So tell us about the ADL600.......

AudioGaff Fri, 05/19/2006 - 23:47
I got to play with a ADL600 last weekend because a wanker I know was so excited for me to give it a workout. It was clean and did have a lot of headroom and seemed to be decently built but it was a overall disappointment. It wasn't bad, but I wouldn't bother to buy one. It's about on par with the Brick.

Davedog Sat, 05/20/2006 - 11:49
Gaffster....With your rack of stuff I dont doubt it wasnt exactly your cup-a-tea.....Like you said...clean and a LOT of gain. I ran vocals through it with an old U87 and found that it really did allow the mics' signature to really shine. There wasnt any stupendous WOW factor about the pre, just a solid workmanlike quality that showed off the singer, the mic, and the environment. Personally, this is what I seek in a micpre. Ya know I'm all about source.

It is not NOT 'junk' as was suggested earlier.

Hopefully you got to try all the different input selections to some extent. I've become quite a fan of variable input impedances for the mics. It certainly seems to increase a mics value in that it becomes two maybe three different animals with this feature. peaceout....dogg

saemskin Sat, 05/20/2006 - 13:40
this is good information for me.

So basically what you saying is the ADL is "clean", as in transparent? Which isnt what I'm looking for in this application.
I want that nice creamy distortion that you get when you blast the input gain all the way up.

Like this
or this

please note you'll be able to hear these basslines in context when I release my album in August. In case anyones wondering :oops:

saemskin Sat, 05/20/2006 - 13:49
I hate to sound like a school kid, man... but the Groove Tubes Glory Comp and Vipre look so fucking good. They're absolutely beautiful, I nearly get goosebumps looking at them and knowing I could have them if I only max out this one credit card.

Does anyone here have a NL2 and a vipre? I would love you forever if you could record me a few seconds of patch 30, 35, or 39 with the Vipre gain all the way up?


and btw......


AudioGaff Sat, 05/20/2006 - 17:46
AS the Dogg says, the ADL600 is not junk, I just had higher expectations from the design and price. Now that TL audio stuff, that is junk. Since the impeadance selection of the ADL600 is not done using a transformer like in other gear such as the ViPre, I didn't find it very useful. I've gotten pretty used to using my ViPre, and before that using a Fearn which I would rent when I wanted a real tube sound. I still prefer the Fearn, but I ended up buying the ViPre because of a special deal and it being a more flexable unit than the Fearn. Inmpeadance selection in general is something that makes much more difference in dynamic mics and ribbons than it does in condensor mics.

saemskin Thu, 05/25/2006 - 15:58
What about Sebatron? I didnt even think of them, and I know they have a solid reputation around here. What does a VMP200evu sound like when its cranked up?

So you all know, Sweetwater has a no payments, no interest for 12 months special going on, and I'm going to either get a Vipre, or a UA 6176 in the next 2 weeks.
The vipre will need a compressor friend eventually though. Any suggestions? I was thinking something solid state to keep it clean after the dirt-y-fying of the vipre. Perhaps a Portico?

jonnyc Sat, 05/27/2006 - 13:11
Clive Banks wrote: I would choose the GT Vipre by a mile. That unit is built solidly and the name has a good reputation unlike anything made by Presonous, which in MHO is entirely a piece of junk.

You just aren't very well informed are you? It's cool to think you know everything and jump on bandwagons but really in the end all it does is make you look like an ass, and right now you pretty much do. The adl600 is a serious piece of gear. Not to mention I've seen presonus staff actually come onto forums and give out direct numbers to help satisfy various customers. Next time research before you open your mouth, unless you like the taste of your own foot.

AudioGaff Sat, 05/27/2006 - 20:14
I would say Clive is well informed as to the ViPre. Despite Presonus giving support on forums or direct phone numbers, that doesn't change the fact it is true that the ViPre is much better than the ADL600 by indeed a mile... But is also not fair to call the ADL600 junk, and it sure is a much better mic pre than anything Presouns has made in the past which has never been anything to brag about.

Davedog Sat, 05/27/2006 - 20:48
Those amoungst us who have actually used a Groove Tubes ViPre ,know that it is without a doubt one of the finest high-fidelity mic preamps to be produced in many a year. It is also, at over 2K per channel, one of the most expensive. It delivers the goods and is worth every penny. I would put it on the same level as pieces such as the 1176, The Fairchild 660, The Neve consoles, Telefunken mics, Fender guitars, Scully tapemachines...etc. In short, things with a defining sound, rarely matched in the audio realm. It is great.

Right or wrong, Clive is a mook with an axe to grind and an attitude.