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Dimensions and ideas for multi purpose recording studio's

I'm going to build a multi purpose studio on 5 acres in a location where there is little outside noise to be overly concerned about. I'm in the country, on a very private lake where the sound of nature is actually something I would rather hear as a natural ambience (maybe I am onto something lol)!
Never the less, kidding aside... it's not like we have screaming city ambiance where I am living. Its very quiet here in comparison to a large city. So, isolating the outside from bleeding is far less of a concern for me but I would still like to discuss that as well.

NOTE: I have no idea what I want so I expect to evolve with it all as I gather all sorts of idea's from everyone. Thank you :)

Here we go...

What would the idea dimensions be to start with?

Thanks!

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audiokid Tue, 02/28/2017 - 20:50

Brien Holcombe, post: 447995, member: 48996 wrote: I need boundries. When I have boundaries I can stay focused...when I am given free reign...I will not limit myself to conventional thinking.

You gave no budget...you of all people knows this is prerequisite.

I don't know WTF you are talking about and I don't know anything about any prerequisite. Your entire tone and interpretation is very disturbing and disrespectful. You sound like you are on bad drugs dude. You think this is some game?

I don't have a budget. I have a reason and a size and some basic questions as this evolves and ... its just fun sharing what I am finally planning to do after years of trying to get to a point in my life to do something like this. :love:

I don't need your help either.

And now back to the last pics Kurt posted. Yeah, that's what I am thinking about (all open like that) . That looks pretty nice though, my building will be much more raw I think. I love those beams.

Would the ceiling be better peaked like that or flat? I've played in building that were peaked and they produced some weird freq's.

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Kurt Foster Tue, 02/28/2017 - 21:02

he started with an old hay barn! i'm sure you could do just as well with a little effort and a lot of cash. lol!

here is the article that the pictures came from. i would imagine cathedral ceilings could make for some weird reflections in spots. my guess is the trick would be to place absorbers in the correct places, perhaps a flat cloud across the peak. you will still have the benefit of the height while you would get better control of the random reflections. imo a peaked ceiling like that would be better than a lower flat ceiling. he doesn't seem to have any issues with it.

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Brien Holcombe Wed, 03/01/2017 - 05:37

audiokid, post: 447996, member: 1 wrote: Your entire tone and interpretation is very disturbing and disrespectful. You sound like you are on bad drugs dude. You think this is some game?

I don't have a budget. I have a reason and a size and some basic questions as this evolves and ... its just fun sharing what I am finally planning to do after years of trying to get to a point in my life to do something like this. :love:

I don't need your help .

If you want better answers ask better questions.

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kmetal Wed, 03/01/2017 - 09:30

Brien Holcombe, post: 447990, member: 48996 wrote: Forgive me if this seems harse...but you and I will not have an argument based on what you think I do not know.

I have disagreed with only one thing.

And that is to look from the outside in rather than the opposite.

Just asking you to explain further about what your saying. I keep asking you for your facts and explainations about your statements but your seemingly unwilling or unable to.

Considering I'm well rounded and experienced enough in acoustics to comfortably approach each project without having to have one pre determined approach or another. Often the project will dictate what it needs, and the acousticians job is to solve the puzzle of making the best. The fundamentals do apply in all cases.

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kmetal Wed, 03/01/2017 - 09:50

Kurt Foster, post: 447997, member: 7836 wrote: he started with an old hay barn! i'm sure you could do just as well with a little effort and a lot of cash. lol!

here is the article that the pictures came from. i would imagine cathedral ceilings could make for some weird reflections in spots. my guess is the trick would be to place absorbers in the correct places, perhaps a flat cloud across the peak. you will still have the benefit of the height while you would get better control of the random reflections. imo a peaked ceiling like that would be better than a lower flat ceiling. he doesn't seem to have any issues with it.

Right on Kurt, placing that cloud like that also benefits from having the triangular cavity behind it which can really absorb some substantial low end in a room that size.

Trapping in the ceiling helps preserve floor space. Also the cloud allows you to hide your conduits ect.

I've posted this sketch before but this is my own personal rough draft for a studio in a gararage or on the second floor. In this one the bar represents a kitchen area and the other rooms bedrooms.

I drew this a while back but it looks on the same idea as the studio barn. The exterior shot I found on google.

What's nice about a (properly designed) truss system is the clear span ie, lack of support columns from floor to ceiling. engineered joists can also be a viable option for supporting heavy loads with long spans. Around New England it's a very economical way to build. Check it FYI if your interested. I attached a pic of what I'm talking about. Around here there cheaper than typical 2x joists and the spans are much better.

https://www.apawood.org/i-joist

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Brien Holcombe Wed, 03/01/2017 - 10:16

What is going on is based on no information what so ever on your part excepting you are wanting an ideal mix room...which is high budget imo...I offered an alternative to what I knew you would get from the others.

I gave you an opportunity to view your project with a pair of fresh eyes. I am often confined to existing structures but every now and then I get the chance to see a project that does not even exist and take that oportunity to develop an environment that takes every key concern into the development of the project.

But rather take that opportunity you denigrated me...called me names and accused me of being on drugs.

I could have said all the things that others said...cookie cutter building block stuff that is always part of a great project but should not define the project... understand?

So if I have offended your sensibilities. ..tough.

With your very personal and very public childish display...I will consider this subject closed....your mix room a pipe dream and good luck. ..because you will need it...

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kmetal Wed, 03/01/2017 - 11:19

Brien Holcombe, post: 448015, member: 48996 wrote: What is going on is based on no information what so ever on your part excepting you are wanting an ideal mix room...which is high budget imo...I offered an alternative to what I knew you would get from the others.

I gave you an opportunity to view your project with a pair of fresh eyes. I am often confined to existing structures but every now and then I get the chance to see a project that does not even exist and take that oportunity to develop an environment that takes every key concern into the development of the project.

But rather take that opportunity you denigrated me...called me names and accused me of being on drugs.

I could have said all the things that others said...cookie cutter building block stuff that is always part of a great project but should not define the project... understand?

So if I have offended your sensibilities. ..tough.

With your very personal and very public childish display...I will consider this subject closed....your mix room a pipe dream and good luck. ..because you will need it...

Another response void of anything acoustically relevant.

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audiokid Wed, 03/01/2017 - 11:32

There is something about you brien that just starts anger with people. I'm not perfect either.
You've been reported to me many times over the years.
Your comments this time sound weird, almost as if you are on meds that make you reactive. Just saying.
I'm personally not good with how you come across.
I've found you very rude right off the get go here.
You are assuming I am a lot more savvy with acoustics.
I personally don't care if this studio I want to build ever reached your level.
The luck I need has long passed my career. What I need is a place to have fun and mix for the hell of it.

The barn studio Kurt posted looks cool to me (thanks Kurt).
And I would expect they need luck as well, right?

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kmetal Wed, 03/01/2017 - 11:33

It's perfectly feasible to 'dial in' on what your looking for and exploring options in order to develop a budget or ball park. some people have a specific number ahead of time and the design must fit that.

The foundation type, heating, general size, and multiroom vs single room studio type, have been established, at least for conversation sake. Those are some major indicators of basic cost and construction type. Air conditioning, electric, and plumbing, would be other important areas for dictating costs.

A nice comfy room the size chris is talking on a slab is a great start to good sound and adequate creature comfort. The bass response has room enough to be excellent by nature in something like that.

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audiokid Wed, 03/01/2017 - 11:48

@Brien Holcombe For giggles, I don't have a budget because I don't need a budget.
It will cost what it cost and that was established in post #11 .

Money is not a problem because I am not building a palace ;). I know how to build and it will never cost more than what is required to make an open building like this.

All I am looking for is dimensions that fall into what is advised but I now see that really doesn't matter right? :) Shockingly it sounds like I could use any box accordingly to you?

That being said, it doesn't sound like you are able to get past your attitude so I'm just fine not hearing anything you have to say.
Do please, just sit back and laugh at the idiot you think I am then.

To the rest of our warm hearted group, I don't need AC or plumbing help. It's northern Canada here and AC is only something I would use for a very sort time in a year. We are just fine sweating from the odd amp and open windows will suffice.

This is a building that will also become a workshop when I die. Which was also mentioned in the #11 post.

Thanks for baring with any stupidity I am humbling and innocently showing.

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