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The new forum. Is it really hard to navigate? Or just me

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What am I doing wrong, in the recent topics I click on something marked 8 hours since last comment but discover it’s an ancient  18 yr old topic with no new posts? Yesterday I also got sticking in a kind of text only version of the forum and couldn’t get back to normal. Adding posts seems to put them in funny places sometimes. I’m sure it’s me, but is there a guide anywhere that explains things. There was a post yesterday about a brilliant new function but I simply didn’t understand what links are for or what to use them for. I feel like I ought to understand, but for me the old forum worked better. I know it’s me and I know how much effort has gone into this, but common things are not near the top and you need to really spend time searching stuff out. The old forum you could simply hit new posts, and look at the first few lines then go to them. Now I have to scroll down to find recent posts because the page I’m starting on has it right at the bottom, out of view. Then you get the list, the you look at the recent ones, go to them and nothing new is there? What am I doing wrong?

so far, I really don’t like it I am afraid. I’m sure it’s just me, but out of the forums I use, this is now my least favourite. As I type, recorderman’s drum micing post is to the left. Why?

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paulears Tue, 04/27/2021 - 02:10

I think we understand why you're doing it and what the advantages will be but your frustration with us being confused and lacking patience is a little unfair. I too had the period of registering then doing it again, then again and you understand why it's happening and it's normal till we all get registered properly, but you forget that we do NOT understand the mechanics, we're just users.  We click on something and anticipate a response, and get something different, or maybe something we wonder could be a fault you are not aware of - so  when we mention it, we get a tart response. We simply don't know what to expect. If you'd mentioned that for a few  weeks while you were repopulating things, current posts would not be current or popular ones wouldn't be popular we would have understood, but we're just ordinary people and assumed  that we could click on something and it would present what we expect. At the moment, any new posts are lost because they fall off the list as topics from the archive get added. I see a message saying last updated, to find it hasn't, it's just been added, so there is no new post to read. If you'd  mentioned this, we'd have known - it seems a bit unfair to blame us for being ignorant of the process you're currently working through. We do appreciate the time and effort, but unless you tell us - how do we know a feature is deliberate or a mistake? At the moment we cannot use the forum because we can't find real new posts. That's fine - but how many do you click on before giving up? 

 

You got excited by the link thing? You forgot to tell us how it's useful, what we should do and how it works? You've got really excited  by the possibilities, but we have no idea what you are excited by. You say this is an awesome platform. You need to explain, because it still looks like a forum, but at the moment it works like a broken one. We simply have no idea what the awesomeness is, or what we should expect. The old forum let you read topics, and if you wanted to add to them you did. You could search for topics or people and the archive going back was useful. We could edit our mistakes and fix typos. We could see who people were to a degree, and we could send them messages in private if  we wanted. The mods could zap things they felt were bad or wrong and  we could even complain about people if we wanted. 

What will the new platform do above and beyond this? what magic things will we be able to do? At the moment, it's not as nice, because it's still a work in progress, but what is this CMS thing? What is the benefit of the change. Clearly it's a lot of work for you and you seem a bit stressed, but forgive me for being a bit thick, but what will the new awesomeness do that the old system didn't? I don't get it at all. Probably me just misunderstanding, but it seems a few of us are confused. Like Dave - I liked the way the old one worked, and the new one is for me, less nice as a user. I only assume the difficulty in finding posts is just a temporary thing while the archive posts are put in here as new ones, but that seems a defect in the forum design by whoever produced it - most users of forum software would have this archive to transfer, and it seems odd they didn't include some way to automate the process and not treat each topic as a new post. 

From my perspective, having to click on a topic and scroll to the end to see if there is a new post, or if it stops years back is frustrating.

Please don't treat this as a complaint, but you seem to think we're tossing you under a bus because we didn't know the multiple log in was normal is a bit unfair. All we see is what is on screen - typing in something multiple times made me think I'd got it wrong - I genuinely didn't realise it was meant to happen.

If you get a chance - maybe you  could do a pinned topic - if such things are still possible - that explains the differences, similarities and tells us what we can do that will make the forum better than the old one. If people cannot view posts, and comment on them, they won't post. If the site is running in 'temporary' mode that's fine, but just let us know when  what we see is 'normal'. P

 

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audiokid Tue, 04/27/2021 - 02:43

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paulears wrote:

I think we understand why you're doing it and what the advantages will be but your frustration with us being confused and lacking patience is a little unfair. I too had the period of registering then doing it again, then again and you understand why it's happening and it's normal till we all get registered properly, but you forget that we do NOT understand the mechanics, we're just users.  

If I actually knew what you are expecting, it would be perfect. The site has crashed at least 20 times during this process and many of my comments to explain have been lost. It is what it is.

  Keep in mind I'm a musician (not a coder) moving a 20 year old forum into the 21 century pretty much on my own here,  learning as we go here, Paul. And I also have a day job as a painter to help pay for this. I feel for everyone frustrated but its all good in the end if we can work together to make this site great. I think we're all going to have fun with the new projects planned.

Being said, I'm working on it during midnight hours which is your day time. Not easy building and repairing at any time with an international community.

I appreciate the comments. It shows you care. The site is done migrating. It appears to be stable now. Touch wood.

 

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paulears Tue, 04/27/2021 - 06:30

We do appreciate it - We'll work it out. A few days will let things settle, then we can try all the buttons and see how it goes!

 

Crashing sounds not so good - in fact, an admin's nightmare!

Best wishes.

Paul

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Kurt Foster Tue, 04/27/2021 - 08:44

i get why the change is necessary. i do prefer the old form factor. i knew it. i was comfortable with it. i had things all set up the way i liked them. then change happened that i had no control over.

on the other side of the coin, RO is a place i can go and commune with others of a like mind and it doesn't cost me anything. i really don't feel i have any right to complain. i am sure Chis is doing what he can to make the change as painless as possible but we all should understand he has to have a way to monetize the operation in order to keep it going. getting  RO to work on smart devices is one way to do that, as well as to insure RO stays relevant in a changing environment.

do i like the changes? not much. but really it's still all there. it's just dressed differently. i'm sure we will all adjust. stay cool kids. i don't want to lose any of us.

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Tony Carpenter Tue, 04/27/2021 - 12:24

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I am waiting to see what happens post Covid. As you know, I am not in this for the money anymore. I am happy to socialise and share what I know, and my gear and rooms with whomever wants to come around. I may take advantage of being able to show all the stuff here in one spot. I just have to figure out. 

Forum wise, I get the angst over forums, as you know, I've done this before :), I just had a lot less material to deal with, you're either very brave or a little insane ;).

Tony

 

 

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Davedog Tue, 04/27/2021 - 13:22

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audiokidDavedog wrote: Davedog wrote: Sorry. I just don't get it. The log in has changed and now I have to log in each time. First it wanted my email and password and then my user name and password. And then I seem to have become persona non grata with most of my posts gone.    I really hope it's better for you guys. I appreciate the effort and reasoning. It's just not working for me. Love to you all. After 21 years pa

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Davedog Tue, 04/27/2021 - 13:27

That was NOT my meaning. I am not "put out".....No one ESPECIALLY ME  threw you under the bus. It still doesn't seem to work although the log in now working. I wish I could figure out the tools but at this point it's beyond my meager abilities. I tried to quote the exchange in order to keep it in reference. Failed. I'm sure it's my fault but I did NOT say those things nor did I imply them. My posts from recent months other than the critique page are not visible to me. I'm sure it's just debugging the system. I use a full-blown ProTools rig so I expect this kind of stuff.  

 

As I said . Great works for all those years.   Always the best

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kmetal Tue, 04/27/2021 - 17:45

I think we just have to consider the site in "beta" mode for a bit until the dust settles. I can't think of a better group to be involved at the starting point of the new site, as there is a good bit of knowledge, experience, and most importantly, respect, among us.

@Paul- i think the new features are essentially a bridge/mixture of a forum, and media outlet (youtube, magazines, ect) and a personal/professional website.  So instead of us each independently doing blogs, channels ect, and building an audience, the new RO plays host to it all. Kinda like what YouTube is to video, or radio is(was) to music.  Its a central meeting ground for content creator and audience, that has the advantages because its a pool, with a built in audience and google presence so we start from a higher ground. The audience gets a pool of experts to interact with.

I may be wrong but that's how i think the new format is basically.

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audiokid Tue, 04/27/2021 - 18:32

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kmetal wrote:

I think we just have to consider the site in "beta" mode for a bit until the dust settles. I can't think of a better group to be involved at the starting point of the new site, as there is a good bit of knowledge, experience, and most importantly, respect, among us.

@Paul- i think the new features are essentially a bridge/mixture of a forum, and media outlet (youtube, magazines, etc.)

nicely put, Kyle. 

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cyrano Wed, 04/28/2021 - 01:33

We're getting there.

Thx for all the hard work, Chris and Rose. I know what migrating from one piece of software to another involves. It's a gigantic effort and users rarely are patient.

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pcrecord Thu, 04/29/2021 - 16:24

I think we all need to be patient and let the work be done.. 

I find the font too small and would like the notifications of activities we had..

But it is not undermining the immense value this forum has giving us for so many years.. 

I'm sure Chris is open for suggestions, but it will take time.. This is a lot of work specially for one man ! 

Marco ;)