24 Tracks Control Behringer-Buy or Sell? How can I simplify my workflow.

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How can I simplify my workflow.

  1. Sell the 24 track controller?

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  2. Buy a rackmount mixer and 1 channel faderport?

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  1. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    The connection could have gotten oxidized during shipping, or adjusting to the humidity difference between your studio and the previous one.
     
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    You could be right Ill check it out. thanks
     
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    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Sure does look cool! Love the retro look. For your uses it could be worth not using the toslink on your pre amp. If that's the only compromise you could be very happy with it.
     
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    Yeah me too the retro look is great. I think I may be ok based on some of the things Ive been recording. as far as that noise goes on the 48k
    Nothing
    took everything out
    cleaned the ribbon cable connector etc
    I just sold something tonight so the good news is the mackie knob is leaving and Im picking up the radial mc3 tomorrow afternoon
    gonna start from stratch
    hook up the monitors then computer, then one piece at a time and see if I can find anything
    test all cables etc
    getting worried about the 428 did a bass track and its distorting in the speakers but it doesnt through the clarett
    digital or analog, doesn't matter
    I thing if I start over I may be able to troubleshoot and its needed at this time too
     
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  6. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    One thing at a time is the way to test. It could be a gain staging issue causing the distortion. I'd be curious if you get the same result on bass thru different channels of the 428 with the same settings, or if it's one channel only. At this point I'd be looking for a refund from the seller.
     
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    I did just quickly try channel 2 and it was the same thing. I also tried channel 1 of the analog output same thing.
     
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    Hey K-Metal if I was to forfeit the Toslink I thin it would be between these 2 units. Im getting really cold feet about a used unit now.
    Dont want to get into that headache and want a warranty.

    1) https://www.zoom.co.jp/products/production-recording/live-sound-recording/livetrak-l-20

    2) https://tascam.com/us/support/news/5732

    Are there any other options?
    Only thing I can say I dont like about these 2 units is where the transport control is, because thats where Ill be spending most of my time.
     
  9. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    They look very similar in feature set, either one will probably do just fine. I noticed some of the zoom features are disabled at the 96k sample rates, but it is good to have the 96k ability as that's generally the standard sample rate. That said there's nothing wrong still with 44.1. I'd tend to lean towards the tascam since I happen to be a fan of their tape machines. The zooms 96k capability is something that's important to me.

    That said maybe you could find some samples online to hear of one sounds any better, or if there is a significant price difference, that might solve it.

    It's really tough to say, having not used either of them. Either one will probably do the trick as a standalone unit.

    My personal taste still leans toward the x32 since integrates so tightly with a daw. Unless the plan is to move entirely in the portable studio, a good daw workflow is going to be necessary.
     
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    Very very interesting.
    I cant believe how clean my speakers sound. Thanks so much Kyle. I picked up the MC3.
    So starting from scratch I hooked up the clarett only and its clean. As soon as I connected 2 xlr outs of the 428 to trs ins to the clarett. Ground Loop.
    Tried everything cant get rid of the hum. So I used outputs 3 and 4. No hum. What?
    then the digital connection, I cant seem to get it to make that noise that shows up on the channel meter. But 1st cable was the one I used before. Used a second and there was
    tons of digital popping. I have over 8 cables. I tried another and recorded. Clean no noise.
    So as of now I have 2 analog outs from the 428 and the 8 digital outs connected to the clarett and its clean.
    I may just have to leave it like that. Now Im going tro try that bass again the thye 429 Instrument jacks.
    We have some movement.
     
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    ground loop?
     
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    Whe I plug the outputs 1 and 2 of the isa 428 analog into the trs clarett
    I have a hum
    when I come out of 3 and 4
    its gone
     
  13. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Glad the mc3 is working for ya! Digital cables can be flaky just like any others, I solwvd what o thought was a clocking issue one time just by swapping the cable. As far as the hum, it would seem odd to me that it's a ground loop issue since it only does it on two channels, but stranger things have happened. Either way a triplite isolation transformer will give your gear it's own isolated ground, as well as a breaker for protecyion.

    I'm not technically knowledge able enough to suss out the internal issues of the Isa, so I'm kinda stumped. One thing I would try is a different instrument to see if you've got the same issue. Beyond that I'm not entirely sure.
     
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    Awesome thanks for your input. Slowly cleaning everything up.
    heres a shot of my rack. There no use for the midi rack and the headphone amp either.
    I have 2 headphones on the mc3 and another on the clarett.
    Yes thats a cassette and a CD player lol.

    IMG_1556-M.jpg
     
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    And the rest.

    IMG_1557-M.jpg
     
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  16. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Looking good buddy. Is that cassete player from the 80's? My dad had a zenith one that was silver like that and built like a tank, I wish I kept it. Also what's that thing above the guitar amp?

    My setup is still all boxed up so not much fun to look at, torturous actually to look at instead of use lol

    What are you powering the ns-10s with??
     
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    Yeah i bought that cassette new in the 80s its a yamaha. One owner and i put so many miles on it and not once has it ever broke down.

    Above the guitar amp is a custom built tube amp with 4 6L6s
    That powers the aratones and the ns10s
    The avantones are powered. Cant believe how much better they sound without the big knob. Thx for that.
     
  18. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Awsome man! I'm glad you got rid of the big slob!
     
  19. phantomvintageclosed

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    So the search still continues. Got the Behringer X-touch One and its better than the fader port 1, however still waiting for the faderport V2
    but Im not convinced this is going to do it for me.
    I still want to record out of the computer.

    So I like the look of the Tascam model 24, but because they made it an interface and mixer as well, the transport controls (which I will use frequently are above the middle of the unit.
    The Tascam does not have 96K (Ive never checked to see how much different that would be. The Tascam does not have a remote footswitch. It has eq right on the console, love that.

    The Zoom Live Track L-20 does have 96K. It also has a footswitch for recording and also a bluetooth adapter to be controlled by a free app via Ipad.
    I like the look of the Tascam much better though. So the interesting thing is the Live Track L-12 has the transport where I want it at the bottom. But the L-20 has it more near the top like the tascam.

    I believe these are both interfaces as well as mixers and stand alone recorders. I also believe they both have motorized faders (correct me if Im wrong).

    I want to record with this type of platform and any midi samples mixing and mastering would be done in the computer via Reaper, Mixbus and or Cubase.
    Too bad they didnt have a lightpipe in so that I cold take my Focusrite ISA 428 out into that.

    Based on this information, which would you guys recommend?

    And my curiosity also lies in the quality of the mic pres. I heard the zoom is fantastic. But I dont know.
    And would I benefit going out of the Isa 428 xlr to a line in of the unit.

    Things are coming to a close and I want to get back to recording which is what I love to do.
    Once I solve this issue I believe I have everything I need to be super productive.

    I have looked at all the older units Akai DSP24, Korg SD32 and SD3200, Roland VS240, and more, but these units are all quite old
    and anything can go wrong at anytime. So Ive decided to go with something new.

    My ideal machine would look like this

    16-24-32 channels
    Adat lightpipe connections
    midi connection but not compulsory
    xlr.trs combo with Phantom
    Love eq on the strip
    USB to computer
    24 bit 96k

    and obviously other perks like ipad control remote control etc.

    Any help trying to narrow this down would be greatly appreciated.
    Are there any others besides these?
    Im sure companies will stop making these soon, and was quite surprised that Tascam made that move with the Model 24 due in Oct.
     
  20. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    For quiet sources and dynamic mics, there is no doubt the ISA will give you better noiseless gain even if you put it through the line in of another unit.
    For critical recordings, I still want a clear path from the ISA to the converters (unless you use the optionnal converter card) but that's just me being a quality freak !! ;)
     
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