Adding silence to the tail of a track...

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by ssltech, Feb 25, 2003.

  1. ssltech

    ssltech Guest

    I have a CD that's been mastered and is ready to be sent to get a couple of thousand pressed up.


    There are just a couple of gaps that I feel could use a second or so more "breathing space" before the next track begins.

    -I have Nuendo at home, but haven;t really had time to become familiar with it. -If I import the relevant '.wav' files that need a second at the end, can anyone briefly explain the best method to extend the tune by a small amount of silence at the end then re-save it otherwise un-molested?

    I'd appreciate the help, (I'm an analog guy mainly... this digital stuff is still scary witchcraft to me! ;) )

  2. Prolab

    Prolab Guest

    Since you are a member of the analog school, this is what I would do to keep the tune from having a chopped off sound.

    Insert 5 seconds (150 frames) of silence at the foot of the track (tail) and mark the section. Start it right where the signal drops to -60dB.

    Then I would take an archive and sample some basic tape hiss ahd paste it into the marked area at -48dB and start working your fade.

    Play with the levels. You may find -55 better. Find the spot where it works level wise.

    Fine the level where the noise level (no matter how low) will "fill" the quickness of the track.

    The only other thing you can do is a graphic edit of fade at an earlier time using a reciprocating flare followed by a gentle fade to fool the brain into feeling the song is fading longer. Of course this is music dependant.

    Hope it works for you.

    Done it many times.

    Also, it is good to leave a frame at the head of the track as well...on classical, I leave 15 frames usually.

    [ February 26, 2003, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: Bill Roberts ]
  3. paulpreamble

    paulpreamble Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Using Nuendo, you can very easily extend the end of a track (silence) by clicking on the end of the waveform (in the main tracking window) and dragging it out as much as needed. You could also select a range and insert silence from a right click menu (under the Audio catagory).
    Hope this helps.
  4. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Paul, simply adding silence is not going to achive the blend of the fade..if the track is chopped off. It has to be edited in a way to fool ones senses that their was never a chop by careful fading before the chop and inserting silence, with a mixture of low level signal.


    Ever had one of them? It is "work" to make it "right"..
  5. ssltech

    ssltech Guest


    Thanks, I got that bit, but how do I re-save the new length part as a new ".wav" file? -select and Export?


    I'm not too worried about the noise fade etc.. the piece fades down to absolute silence anyhow, so there really should be nothing noticeable on the tail.

    I was chatting to Mike ('tenor39' from the audioasylum) -he said you'd met, I think he said he'd seen your place, -I can't recall exactly...

    more folks in Florida, huh?

  6. paulpreamble

    paulpreamble Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Yes, you need to export it from the File / Export menu. Make sure you have all other tracks muted (or solo this track) and if you are using any Automation, then check the little box in the Export dialogbox.
    We are talking pure digital here so it is still first generation.
  7. paulpreamble

    paulpreamble Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Oh, one more thing that may get you off gaurd if you are not that familure with Nuendo:
    Before you go to export it, you have to set the markers to mark how much of the waveform you want to export. They are a little tricky until you know how to use them. Go to the Project menu and select Markers. Go to the beginning of the track and click in the black time window to move the locator to this position. Click the L in the marker window, then click the Move button. Scroll to the end of the track and do the same thing there with the R marker. This should highlight the portion of the track that will be exported. Do it again if you need more or less.
    I hope this is clear enough.
  8. paulpreamble

    paulpreamble Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Bill, yes - I agree. It can be a nightmare to extend the tail (if there is level), especially when there is no repitition in the work.
    Luckily, ssltech is working with a silent tail.
  9. ssltech

    ssltech Guest mean the KGB are onto me again...?

    Thanks for the help... I'll try it tomorrow!!! I'm sure you've cracked it for me!

    Again, My thanks.
  10. Stephen Paul

    Stephen Paul Distinguished Member

    Dec 11, 2000
    And don't forget your little 300ms unmute pad at the top! ;)
  11. ssltech

    ssltech Guest


    Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I meant to thank you.

    Your instructions were sufficiently detailed to let me zip through and re-gap the entire 16-tune album in about 90 minutes total!

    I don't think that I'd have figured out that idiosyncratic left/right marker thing in less than a couple of hours with the manual on my own!

    Cheers mate! -I owe you a cold one!

  12. paulpreamble

    paulpreamble Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    No problem, I'm glad I could help you on this one.
  13. Pez

    Pez Active Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Here's a quick tip to set beginning and end markers in Nuendo and SX. Click on the wave file and then hit the "p" key on your keyboard. You can also highlight any section of the wave file and the p key will set beginning and end markers automatically for it as well. Works great for looping a section when doing edits. SX will also allow you to drag the marker. This feature should also be in Nuendo 2.0 when it comes out.
  14. ssltech

    ssltech Guest

    "Rokkin"! -Thanks for the tip -I'll use that one for sure!

    -Perhaps I should start a "what's your favourite Nuendo trick?" thread! ;)

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