Advice on whether a certain website is a scam or not.

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Aaron Alexander, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. Aaron Alexander

    Aaron Alexander Active Member

    I would some advice on if this website is a scam or not? ( )
    or would I be better off buying new gear with the $500?

  2. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    North Vancouver
    $500 will get you a mic and cheap interface do you have a computer? I would hang out here and learn.... we share here ;)
  3. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Online recording school? Are you supposed to imagine how good it sounds in their studio? Do they assume that you are using the same gear they are? How do you ask the instructor questions? How does he show you what you are doing wrong? How can the instructor hear what you are missing? If that's not enough how about this picture:


    Or this one:


    I don't know. Does the fact that the pictures look like they were cut out with a dull exacto blade tell you anything?

    I'm sure they feel they are a legitimate service. I'm sure that the information that they give you may even be correct and useful but how are you supposed to put any of that to use if you are not there with an instructor? Good learning requires two way interaction.

    At any rate, I would go to a reputable studio near by and ask them if you can dust, sweep and make coffee for them. (don't spill anything...ever.) If they won't take you on, that should tell you something about recording as a job.

    After you've done that, check with your local community college or night school agendas and see if they have any crash courses. It usually isn't more than a few hundred dollars for a 5 night course.

    If that fails, buy a book or two. Probably two.

    This one: View attachment 486

    And maybe this one: books.jpg
  4. Aaron Alexander

    Aaron Alexander Active Member

    Yes, I do have a computer, it is a macbook pro with a apogee ONE interface and I have a MXL 2008 mic. I would like to pursue a career in audio engineering and that website offers a certificate that might help me get into the industry.
  5. Aaron Alexander

    Aaron Alexander Active Member

    @hueseph: I have contacted the only local recording studio and they are not open to taking on interns of any kind. As for community colleges, they only offer a few audio related courses all of which are editing classes like how to use Audacity. What I am looking for is real life experience of a class of some sort in mic placement and mixing.

    btw - I have read The Recording Engineers Handbook and many others.
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Okay, that's not nearly the point. Look at the pictures. A macbook and a usb interface with a $100 mic does not constitute a studio. There are so many other factors. What about a real console? How about an acoustically balanced room and reference monitors? Even then you can read about those things and get as much info as you will ever learn online. Invest in books.

    The recording industry is slowly dwindling and only a very few studios are able to maintain clientele. This is because home recording is huge. Granted, I know of at least a couple of basement studios that are doing well but these people have invested large sums of money and they're not hiring. Post production facilities are doing a bit better but everyone and their dog wants in on that gig. Expect a lot of competition.

    I don't mean to be cruel but someone has to burst that bubble. Unless you are particularly talented, finding a job in the recording industry is going to be tough. Even if you are talented, it'll be tough. That's not to say it can't be done but it's not the same world it was even ten years ago.
  7. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    This is only good if you live in Vancouver, BC but check out Next Level.
  8. Aaron Alexander

    Aaron Alexander Active Member

    First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to reply! I'm now convinced that that website is net the best way to go. I will certainly buy some more books.

    I do realize that the recording industry is not at its best and I'm not expecting to make a lot of money. I am going to college right now possibly in the field of electrical engineering so I will have a degree to fall back on. Even if I do this in my spare time and for free, I'd be happy.

    I know I'm not especially talented, but I think I could cater to the musician that is just starting out and give them a decent recording that could further their career.

    Thanks so much,
  9. Aaron Alexander

    Aaron Alexander Active Member

    Unfortunately I live in Kansas, USA.
  10. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I certainly don't want to turn you away from recording. By all means, do it. Experience is a great teacher. Not the best teacher but likely the one you will listen to in the end. Experiment. Learn the rules and bend them. There's that "perfect pitch" program you see in music mags. It's not going to give you perfect pitch but it will give you a good program for ear training, hearing intervals and relative pitch. This comes in real handy when you're eqing.

    Mic placement gets better with practice. So, just do it. Head knowledge gets you nowhere. Applying what you know is everything.
  11. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    North Vancouver
    I agree with Huesph, its freaking hard to live off of recording. I don't, I got a day job. In my mind its the only way to go. All of the money my studio makes goes back into the studio....well expect when the sewer line just barely on my property line plugs solid and needs a emergency repair...but I digress....

    You have some tools, start recording. Learn from practice what works for you and your tools. Then read about what works for other people, try there ideas out. Make them your own and keep moving. I won't kid you good gear makes recording more repeatable and easier to get a good sound quickly, but.....

    but ....but its the inspiration and the music that will matter in the end,the tools mean nothing if the song sucks.

    You have to love what your doing, if you do, your recording will improve. Its that simple.

    Another but, get a degree in something else you can stand, and get a day job. You really have no chance to retire well from the current recording world.
  12. Aaron Alexander

    Aaron Alexander Active Member

    @Link555 - Is your day job a part or full time job?

    @Both - If you don't mind my asking, how did each of you get your start? and where are you now? i.e.- are you employed at a studio or doing freelance work
  13. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    North Vancouver
    My day job is about 44 hours a week 5am to 4pm 4 days a week. As for audio I run my own little basement studio, and rarely do a bigger session at someone else's place. Mostly doing remote mixing these days. I average about one album per month, which is just fine by me. Anymore and I would have no time for the important things in life. I spent a great deal on money and bought a decent monitoring chain and quality mics. I have made my own pre-amps and compressors. My goal is design all of my gear in my studio, hopefully it will happen before I am 80 ;)
  14. gdoubleyou

    gdoubleyou Well-Known Member

    Kirkland WA
    Home Page:
    Sorry, but the industry doesn't care about degrees and certificates.

    Most of the newly created jobs are in cable TV networks. Most jobs are from word of mouth.

    In the Seattle region most of the studios that cater to musicians have shut their doors.

    If you don't have corporate clients, you don't survive.
  15. Space

    Space Distinguished Member

    Information cost money, plain and simple. Qualified information on specific topics by those involved in that field may even cost more money.

    If the course is good, bad, happy or sad can not be reconciled on forums from simply points of view. The school of hard knocks isn't always the fastest teacher nor the best.

    That said, I spent several hundred American dollars last year on...information. It's old hat but books are still a great source of information.

    In the end, you have to make your own choices. Nothing is doing good as a business and most here will tell you it's worse then they can tell you.

    That's what we do in life, speak about the negative sides of our experiences since they tend to make more of an impact.

    Gear won't make you, information won't make you but the combination of the two is the best path to follow.

    The question is always the same, for me.

    How bad do you want it?

    I would call Big Boy Pete up and have a conversation with him, tell him your plans.

    That's how you make your decision. Be pro-active in the process.
  16. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    So the bottom line is, what are the chances you'll learn $500 worth of information you didn't already know. The information may well be of value, but I agree that the "Certificate" is useless to most working studios. The studios you've contacted about internships are probably already running lean to survive.

    Did anybody else read this comparison page? Interesting....

    The industry has a lot of curb appeal, it looks inviting from a distance. And naturally a lot of young people think it would be a fun way to make a fabulous living and hob-knob with the world's greatest musicians. And I'm sure that's just how it has worked out for a small handful of A-list producers and engineers. (who will get every A-list project that comes along until they expire) They've been successful because they had a gift, an opportunity, and the drive it takes to be successful at anything. You need ALL three.

    talent + opportunity (minus the drive to succeed) = flash in the pan selling tires, insurance, etc. a couple years later

    gift + perseverance (minus opportunity) = great hobbyist with a day-job, or frustrated professional who lives with his girlfriend

    perseverance + opportunity (minus musical or technical talent) = band manager and associate hanger-on

    The thing is, you need to have an aptitude for this kind of work. So I take exception to their claim, "We can teach you everything you need to know to make great sounding recordings in just twelve weeks. No bull!".

    It's just not true. If someone doesn't have an innate sense of rhythm, you can't teach them to play drums in 12 weeks, 12 months, or 12 years. You might teach them some mechanics, but if they've got no rhythm - they'll never be a good drummer.

    The only criteria I see for admittance is, do you have $500? Although I have to hand it to them for having a 15-day money-back policy. If you hated it, or the material was beneath the ability you already have, you could bail out.

    I don't know about any of the other schools on their list, but I know you have to test-in / audition to get into Berklee. So is it better to hire a AIA 'graduate' or a Berklee drop-out?

    Best of luck, if you decide to pursue it, I hope you love it.
  17. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    So you are in Kansas? OK, maybe the traditional studio biz is a bit slow, how about production work in a church? Some of the best-equipped studios around are in these new "mega churches", and I know that there several of those in your area. You don't have to be a "bible thumper", just someone with a true desire to learn and work with a team...And don't stop going for that EE degree!
  18. steppingonmars

    steppingonmars Active Member

    Brandon, MB Canada
    Save your money and you'll learn a lot more on websites like this. Record music an submit it to forums, you'll learn far more that way than any schools and most books. I don't make a living from it but I make enough money to buy my toys :)
  19. Space

    Space Distinguished Member

    Yep, and that page especially is where the men are separated from the boys, the rubber hits the road, If anyone can read that and not feel the eyes of a Marketing Copy Writer over their shoulders, then you need to make this purchase.

    Sometimes the best lessons we learn in life are called "History" lessons ;) And it is a small price to pay [500$] to develop the process that will elevate your thinking beyond the hype that saturates our eyeballs. :)
  20. steppingonmars

    steppingonmars Active Member

    Brandon, MB Canada

    That's great advice, actually that knowledge is worth $500! An aptittude and interest in this field is important for sure and you have to do good work, but don't underestimate buisness and people skills in this trade. Don't kid yourself, this is a service industry. You can't just sell them on that you're going to make them sound good. You have to sell them on that it will be a fun and exciting experience to record with you. You have to earn there trust and respect. I did a demo for a band that ended up going to a larger center to make a CD. I asked them why they didn't go to another studio which I thought put out a better product . The answer was "yeah maybe, but we like Jack" Musicians will put up with a less than perfect CD if they have fun and trust the person.

    If you're going to spend $500 on education, I'd spend $100 on some recording books, and the rest on a buisness or marketing course. If you don't have people skills you aren't going to make if very far no matter how well you record music

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