critique Another rolls off the WWA production line: "Lover Who Won't"

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  1. kevinwhitect

    kevinwhitect Kev Active Member

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    In this round in the studio, we've taken a little bit of a different tack. I write the material and normally sing it, but my drummer is in several bands, and he plays in one w/ his brother in law.

    His brother in law has a distinctive tone to his voice that I like, so I had him come in and demo on of our rock oriented pieces. He's done two so far, and I've got him tracking a couple more to see if his voice simply trumps mine in better deliverance of the material.

    I can honestly say, on the two he's done so far, I prefer his vocal - and I'm a pretty tough customer to please that way.

    We wrapped up the vocals on this last night in a vocal session (same one that completed Brown Haired Girl), and I mixed the rough tracks this morning.

    As per usual - any/all comments are wholly appreciated. I know I don't do a quid pro quo much here anymore - as I used to so many years ago - but I do like to share and gather thoughts from additional knowledgeable folks who have critical ears, and whose contributions I do appreciate, weighed with knowing they know, and act upon accordingly.

    One of the things I learned here ... as I was learning, is Recording.Org folks have the expertise that can (and often does) help put me on the right path ... so all input is valued.

     

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    Boswell Moderator Well-Known Member

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    Great vibe to this one, Kevin. You're right about the singer - this type of material suits him.

    One problem I had is with the kick drum. It's right there at the very low end, but when I switch my sub out it disappears. I generally try to give a kick some presence above 120Hz so that it can be heard if not felt on speakers that don't go all the way down.
     
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    kevinwhitect Kev Active Member

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    Perfect, B. Exactly the reason additional critical listeners matter. I tend to try to pump the beater in the 2.7-3k range ... but what I might think is enough (when I "hear" it cut through), may not translate -- because I am LISTENING FOR it versus simply hearing it like a casual listener. It's almost like paying TOO much attention and becoming a little overly sensitive to the result.

    I will address.

    Thanks so much for the help!!

    Btw ... our guitarist is a Brit. :D
     
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    kevinwhitect Kev Active Member

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    New version - with suggested alterations. I brought up more in the beater range and worked the EQ w/ focus on that clarity. I also nudged the bass guitar down a db to clear room for more kick sound.

     

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    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    This is a good tune! Very Bruce Springsteen/John Cougar. Very 80s, very fun. Brings to mind mixer Bob Clearmountain who coined that era sound.

    Im not sure if the bass and vocals are a bit too up front, or not. Im also on the fence if the mix is generally just a bit cluttered with upper mids. I also wonder if a little more umph on the snare in the 200hz area would make it a bit stronger without messing w the vocals and guitar.

    Fun song, very enjoyable.
     
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    kevinwhitect Kev Active Member

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    Love your ears and thoughts KM. I try to listen to what I call (in my way) the "frequency meshing" ... and try to hear the "cluttered bunching" you mention. I will address that in future attention.

    Thank you!
     
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    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    Glad to help. Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, ive been reduced to a phone for everything since my hiatus, and housing move.

    That said listening on tiny speakers like a phone can be very revealing in the mid/upper mids, and masking in general since the full audio spectrum is squished thru little speakers. Larger full range speakers can sometimes spread things out in a way that doesn't reveal this as readily.

    Cheers Kevin!
     
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    kevinwhitect Kev Active Member

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    All ears, and all listening devices are still warmly appreciated.
     
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    I'd agree on the vocal being too upfront and a bit abrasive EQ-wise - I'd be looking for more warmth in that for sure - and a bit more warmth overall in the mix.... the song is pretty choice but the mix has that brittle glass sound to me and is missing cohesion.
     
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    kevinwhitect Kev Active Member

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    I tend to work quickly, and then relax my ears and listen back after they're rested. I've got some compression on the two bus, but I applied a relatively light touch - basically a limiter trimming wild peaks - just enough to glue things in place.

    I agree with your assessment on the lead vocal. I liked it so much, I mixed it hot. I need to pull it back into the bed a little more. I'd not caught the abrasiveness issue, though ... but will listen and adjust. I did poke the 2k range a bit to cut through.

    Glad you liked the tune over all, and thanks for the input!!
     

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