Behringer Xenyx x1222usb - Computer audio volume control on the mixer?

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  1. robinjection

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    I record a podcast and I recently got the behringer xenyx x1222usb to record myself and some friends. I plug the board into my PC, using Adobe Audition.

    Sometimes, I'd like to play some audio from the computer I'm using to record back into the board. (Example: A Youtube video playing from the computer that's recording live, as me and my cohosts do commentary over it) When I try to do this, there doesn't seem any volume control on the mixer. Is there any way to control the volume from the board? Or are my laptop's onboard audio controls the only way?

    Also, it seems Audition does not pick up the audio coming from my computer. Do I have to press something on the mixer for it to record the audio coming back in. Is this even possible? Thanks!
     
  2. pcrecord

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    The built-in USB interface allows for a bi-directional transfer of the raw (non-fader or EQ) audio and effects to and from your computer.
    So you should be able to choose one of the channel on the mixer as output in the DAW software. That way the signal won't go to the master out but to one of the inputs mics or lines
     
  3. Boswell

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    The USB connectivity on the Xenyx X1222usb is a bit of a joke. You can record the main mix output only (at 16-bit) to the USB host, and output 16-bit audio from the USB host into the main mix via the 2-TR/USB RTN fader. You should be able to use that fader to control the level of the audio coming back from the computer.
    Can you clarify what you mean by "volume from the board"? The level into the USB will be controlled by the Main Mix faders.

    I don't understand what you mean by "Audition does not pick up the audio coming from my computer". When you have Audition running, by default, it's Audition that generates the audio from the computer. I don't use Audition, but you may be able to re-assign this routing in the Windows control panel.
     
  4. robinjection

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    I figured out the first thing, so no problem there.

    So this is a podcast. I mean that while I am recording in Audition, say we want to talk about a music video and play some audio from it. On the computer I am recording the podcast on, I will load up a browser and go to Youtube and play the music. I hear the music in my headphones, it is coming through the board - BUT Audition does not record the audio that I am hearing because its coming from the same computer that's recording the sound. Does that make more sense?
     
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    I had to read the manual.. planted deception from Berhinger ! (n)
     
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    I figured that out, can control the volume in the mixer. But I can't seem to record back into the computer sadly as explained one thread above.
     
  7. Boswell

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    I take it this is not a live podcast - you are recording it for later streaming, is that right?

    Where are the headphones plugged in: the phones output on the mixer or the output of your computer sound card? If you are hearing the Youtube sound at the mixer's phones output, then it is present on the mixer and the USB/RTN fader will mix it into the main output, from where it and your mixed-in voices will go back into the computer via the USB input. If it's the sound card output you are listening to on headphones, you need to change the audio default output in the Windows Control Panel so that it's set to be the mixer (via USB).

    Audition will record whatever is routed into it. It has no knowledge of what a separate application may be trying to play through the computer sound output. It's you that has to route things to make the link between them.
     
  8. jaimex99

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    I understand that this is 3 years later, so my apologies if this is not useful to you anymore, but it might be useful to future people who are asking themselves about what to do or how to hook up this device to their computer.
    I just bought a Xenyx X1222USB and tried to do exactly what you tried. I got it to work by doing this:

    I use Garageband, but I am sure it will work with any other DAW.

    Connect the MAIN MIX from the X1222usb through the XLR output to your computer. You can use a splitter (2 female XLR to 1 male 3.5mm). This should be hooked up to your regular 3.5mm input in the back of your computer (your sound card).

    From your DAW (Audition, in your case), select the input and output sources in the following way:
    Input: Built-in input. (This will record what you sent from the XLR MAIN MIX into your sound card).
    Output: Built-in output. (This will let you listen to the MAIN MIX if you monitor your source through the computer headphones 3.5mm jack).

    Now comes the magic.
    From your computer audio settings (System Preferences on a Mac), select the mixer (USB Audio CODEC) as your output. <=That is the important part.
    Your input should also be the USB Audio CODEC if you want to use the return in the mixer. But what you choose as your input here does not matter for these purposes.

    You will notice that if you monitor your audio from your DAW, you will ONLY be able to listen to sounds played by the computer if you raise the 2-TR/USB RTN fader and the MAIN MIX fader.
    The same happens when you record. If the fader in the 2-TR/USB RTN is all the way down, you won't hear anything from YouTube, for example, even if you are hearing things played through your DAW, but this is because the MAIN MIX is coming into the DAW, and by selecting the Mixer as the output for your computer (USB Audio CODEC), you are routing the audio played by your computer THROUGH the mixer.

    Again, this may not help you anymore, but it might help someone else in the future.

    Happy recordings!!
     
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    I'm glad you made it work for you.
    The story and setup throw me back to 96' when I started to record with soundblaster cards..
    Computer sound cards work but are not ideal. I'd rather work with a small Scarlett interface instead of having an entry level mixer and a computer soundcard..
    but I respect anyone who does what it need to create music !
    So I'll drink to that ! ;)
     
  10. Kyle1974

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    Hi

    I am so glad I found this thread! I have the same equipment and problem! I usually use Linux and IDJC but have gone back to Windows and RadioDJ to try and fix this problem I have every possible cable you can imagine.

    So am I taking the sound to the mixer from my HDA Intel card on the back of the PC? Should I be using the headphone out socket or is there a line out? Which colour is the right socket?

    Do I then take the XLR output from the Main Mix on the Xenyx via the USB cable back to the PC?

    You mention Built In Inputs and Built In Outputs but am I then changing those ins and outs to the USB Codec when all set up?

    I’m sorry for all the questions but this driving me insane, I have been trying to fix this for three years!

    Thank you so much for any help!

    Kyle
     
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    Hi Kyle and welcome!

    The post you quoted is probably not the best advice to follow, as it ignores the signal level mismatches that it will generate.

    There are many cards in the Intel HDA range, so without knowing which particular model you have, it's hard to give exact advice. However, if the card has a 3.5mm jack that will drive headphones, then, in the first instance, use the output from that as the signal into your mixer. Use an insert cable to split the stereo output from the TRS minijack to two inputs on the mixer. These could be either a pair of main channels or a stereo input.

    Only digital data travels down a USB cable, so you can't put the analogue XLR data through it. If you mean the information that would come out on the XLR outputs (the main mix), then a digitised version of that is sent down the USB cable, and you could normally use that as input to the computer.

    However, I'm not familiar with the signal input choices in RadioDJ, but the website says it will use any soundcard supported by Windows. This may mean it will take input only from soundcards such as the HDA series and not from a USB device. If that's the case, you may have to make up a cable that will take an attenuated version of the mixer's XLR outputs and feed that into the line-level input of the Intel HDA card. We can give you further information on how to do this if necessary.

    You will have to explain a bit more exactly what you mean here.
     
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    Hi

    Thanks Boswell for helping. (I’m not sure how to do multiquote and some of the above did confuse me a bit, sorry.)

    My soundcard is a Realtek ALC888

    I have got every cable and connector you can name as I have been trying this for years. In terms of RealDJ, it does see my inbuilt and USB mixer (as does Linux) and I can flick between them.

    The mix question I had was after the taking the sound from the pc, do I use the XLR sockets on the Main Mix and send that via a line in cable to the soundcard or can I use the USB connection to go back into the PC? I am happy for testing purposes to use something like audacity for recording and VLC for music playback until I get my head around all of this. (Edit, I understand about taking the sound from the pc and running into a balanced or left and right channels, what I was trying last night was sending sound to the mixer and I could raise or lower it by using the 2 Track return slider)

    The settings question was about Jaimes post, where it seemed to look like he was saying set the pc to inbuilt/output ports and then change them to use the mixer as both in and out in system setting, but I may have read that bit wrong, sorry
     
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    If the RadioDJ software can accept digital audio from a generic USB input, I would use that. It avoids the problem of level matching and balanced-unbalanced conversion that you would otherwise encounter when going from the mixer's XLR outputs to a soundcard minijack input.

    Audacity is a good vehicle to use while you are still in the testing phase, as you can be very specific about the different inputs and outputs to use.
     
  14. Kyle1974

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    Thank you, I tried this the other week I think.

    So basically I run a 3.5mm cable FROM the pc (headphone socket?) to an input on the mixer and then send back to the pc using the usb cable, and I should have output and input on the PC as the USB Codec device?
     
  15. Kyle1974

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    To clarify, I normally have the pc set to input (from the mixer with my mics and processor plugged in) and output (to either speakers or my headphones). I never normally have a way of getting the audio back from the PC to the mixer, it’s always been a one way thing, to the PC. I play the music on the PC and it all gets mixed together. Using Jaimes post was the only way I have ever got sound to go from the PC to the mixer and back out again, so I could alter the volume of songs using my faders and talk in and out of songs.
     
  16. Boswell

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    If you are sending out of the computer via the computer's soundcard, you need to select that as the output device, not an output device on USB.

    It should be straightforward to use almost any application to play sounds out of the computer's soundcard, use the mixer to mix them with new sounds (e.g. voice from a microphone), and output the mix via USB to the PC. There should not be any problem in getting this process to work using Audacity as the recording software.

    As I mentioned, I don't know the facilities that RadioDJ offers, and it's there that you could encounter difficulties in concurrent replay and record. Try it and see, but not until you have shown it working with Audacity as the recorder.
     
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    I’ve found what I did last night (I’ll avoid discussing RadioDJ ) as I think that’s adding complexity.

    I have tried previously taking the sound from onboard sound to the mixer and then back out and it never worked.

    Las night after Jaimes post, I set audacity going, and selected the mic as Line In and the output was set to USB Codec. That way I could hear the sound going back to the mixer, I could use the 2 Track fader to alter levels and alter my mic levels using slider 1. I was using my headphones plugged into the mixer to monitor it all and it worked. I’m still confused about when I should be using the Codec usb device.

    I, sorry, I’m not trying to be obtuse, I just don’t understand how to put the sound from the pc into the mixer and back out to the pc. I feel I’m wasting your time now so I’ll just carry on doing it the way I’ve been doing it, which does work to a fashion. Sorry again.
     
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    Post 7 by yourself and Jaimes post make it seem like it’s do-able. I’m so frustrated as I’ve tried for years to get it working and it seems I’m so close to finally having it working

    I don’t know if I am selecting USB Codec as an input or an output or both
     
  19. jaimex99

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    Ok. I see that I was not completely clear.
    The audio OUT from your computer is through the USB codec. That means, the audio out from your computer comes through the USB cable.
    The audio into your computer is from the main mixer (XLR to 3.5mm) and into the built-in audio in.

    Does that help?
     
  20. jaimex99

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    Unfortunately, I tried sending the mix through the USB into the computer and it does not send the main mix into the computer; it sends some kind of monitor line.
    That’s why I ended up getting the main mix through analog means (XLR to 3.5mm, and into the built-in input).

    But by sending the computer audio out through the usb codec (usb cable from computer to mixer), your mix includes everything you need. You just need to set your recording input as the built-in audio input (the 3.5mm that came from the XLR).

    Is this more clear? Did this help?
     

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