"Best" (most linear) guitar DI for re-amping

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by voidar, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. voidar

    voidar Guest

    Any recomendations?

    I allready own a Little Labs red-eye box, but I lack a good neutral preamp.
    Also, I don't think the red-eye is that neutral as a DI anyway.

    I would like to hear of budget options too.
  2. StevenColbert

    StevenColbert Member

    Feb 13, 2006
    Try radial
    They have a re-amping DI for guitar
  3. voidar

    voidar Guest

    The Radial JDV looks interesting.
    But then again I would need a pre to go with it. A neutral one that is.

    The only pro pre I have is a GT Brick. That and a shitty Behringer board is what I have to choose from. Not to forget the Presonus TooobPre.
  4. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    Your problem is not crappy equipment but crappy technique. Keep practicing. The only magic pill out there is a qualude and you can't find those anymore. So best record a lot of rock and roll.

    Ms. Remy Ann David
  5. voidar

    voidar Guest

    I guess the Brick is neutral enough really. If anything it adds something to the mid-range of my pickups.
    From A/B-ing live and re-amped guitar there might be a small reduction in low-end. This could also be my D/A's.
  6. KyroJoe

    KyroJoe Guest

    For re-amping we use:

    - Radial JDV
    - Radial X-Amp
    - POD XT Pro

    I've tried the Radial JD-7 and depending on your exact needs it's also one to consider.

    As an almost daily user of the Radial products on just about every recording session, I can say with complete confidence you'll be happy with them. :cool:

    Kyro Studios
  7. voidar

    voidar Guest

    The JDV seems very interesting. I like the variable load adjustability.
    What I basically would like is really sample my guitar as close to 100% as possible, and for that I need very netural equipment.

    I was also considering the Little labs Multi-Z PIP, though it only has a course impedance selector.

    The Brick is great and very neutral for being a tube-preamp, but it obviously has some colour.

    What pre do you use with the JDV when deciding to record a "re-ampable" track? :)

    To illustrate:

    guitar -> Radial JDV -> ?????????? -> A/D ---- D/A -> Radial X-amp -> amp
  8. StevenColbert

    StevenColbert Member

    Feb 13, 2006
    ??????? would be recorder or MDM or computer, anything for playback
  9. voidar

    voidar Guest

    But last time I checked JDV only had a mic-level output, so it would need to go through a mic-pre.
  10. KyroJoe

    KyroJoe Guest

    Maybe I'm missing where you're lost but...
    The purpose of the re-amping is to capture the raw performance on the guitar DIRECTLY, record it and play it back, with or without the artist present, to get the exact guitar amp sound you want for the recording.

    RECORDING - http://www.radialeng.com/images/xamp-usage-diagram1.gif

    RE-AMPing & re-Recording - http://www.radialeng.com/images/xamp-usage-diagram2.gif

    Does that make the process understandable for you?

    If not you should go read where it came from at http://

    Kyro Studios
  11. voidar

    voidar Guest

    Excuse me if I am being unclear, but I know perfectly well the process of reamping.

    I see you refer to the x-amp her which has a balanced line-level output. No problem there, just go right to A/D.

    However, the JDV only has a balanced MIC-level output. I would need a preamp to raise the signal to line-level, no?

    The JDV interests me more than the x-amp because:

    1. I allready own a re-amp box (little labs redeye)
    2. Variable impedance
    3. JDV runs on 42VDC while x-amp runst on 14VDC

    Now, my question was: if you DI with the JDV, what preamp would you use? I assume you would use your most transparant pre for such a task.


    Sorry, x-amp has no output at all, but the question still remains.

    " Using the JDV is the same as any other direct box. Connect the instrument to the input, the amplifier output to the amplifier and the XLR balanced output to the mixer or pre-amp. The XLR output is ‘mic level’ to allow the JDV to be used in snake systems with microphones and splitters. One should note that since the JDV is a ‘unity gain’ device, driving a high level signal into the JDV will result in a high level at the output. This may exceed the capacity of the microphone input levels. To protect against overload, a 15dB pad at the output is provided."
  12. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    all of what you say seems correct
    and yes
    the JVD mk3, on paper, does look like a fine DI box
    with all the features I can think of except the ability to run backwards as a re-amp-er like other units say that can
    like the X-Amp

    I've lost track of exactly what the question is ?
  13. voidar

    voidar Guest

    In essence, I want a High-Z guitar signal converted to pro line-level signal with the least amount of colouration possible.

    What gear/technique would I need?

    The JDV was mention - and it looks nice - BUT I would stil need a really transparent preamp for it if I want to accomplish my goal.
  14. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    yes you would still need a Mic to Line amp

    The JVD + a high spec Mic-pre with the works would give you the maximum features ... perhaps even an EQ section

    a quality simple Mic-pre with an instrument input , would do the trick
    an API312 style with the hiZ input like a 512 would be a very nice thing

    if you were in Australia I'd steer you to JLM Audio and a 99v or Hybrid based unit

    A typical Guitar Rack unit that has hiZ (1meg) input and +4dBu output
    is likely to have much character because that's the style with which the GUITAR Boys make stuff.

    hope that makes some sense ... 8)
  15. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    " Least amount of coloration possible" is really a misnomer. Any amplifier/preamplifier will have some kind of " coloration". They are basically all flat response units and everything has a " sound" to it. I think you should just choose something like a good FET Countrymen style direct box, which produces a microphone level output and plug that into a good sounding, nicely colored microphone preamplifier and be done with it. What kind of panacea of perfection are you trying to "scientifically" obtain? No matter how much you pray, you better pray never to see God face to face. Just not a good idea.

    Removing the color from my calico kitty
    Ms. Remy Ann David
  16. KyroJoe

    KyroJoe Guest

    OK... I think I get what you're trying to achieve...
    sorry I didn't read every single post here...

    Check out Millennia Media for your gear.

    You can probably get an experienced review from the user trakker on this site or maybe someone else with Millennia experience will be kind enough to chime in for you.

    Kyro Studios
  17. voidar

    voidar Guest

    It's ok.

    The TD-1 looks great. On the pricey side though, but I guess that was expected.

    Maybe I should just get another Brick, or start with building an SCA-rack.


    The Countryman DT85 is a cheap alternative, but I would stil need a discreet mic-pre.
    I don't see how you can say all mic-pres are "basically all flat response units". In a way you are right, but some are flatter than others and some are intentionally meant to colour.
    I don't want to polish the DI signal sonically , as I won't use it direcly in a mix anyway. If the pickup, guitar and playing sounds like crap, I want that to come through when recorded. I mean, that's what nice pickups, great guitars an good players are for.
    I will only use this signal for re-amping, intentionally or as a secondary options.

    I do understand your message though - "just start recording" - and to some extend I do agree.

    I have actually been eying on the JLM TMP8.

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