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  1. mactreouser

    mactreouser Active Member

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    Hi,
    How do you record a group or choir with just 4 headphones available in the vocal room?
     
  2. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    How many people are we talking about ?
     
  3. mactreouser

    mactreouser Active Member

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    OMG, how could I missed this! Haha. It's about 8 of them.
     
  4. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    With detachable headphones they could have all on ear.
    If it's an accapella act, they don't need headphone at all.
    You use splitters to duplicate the 4 headphone lines to make 8 but the PA need to be solid enough so it doesn't overload.
    Putting a speaker in the room is an option but puting it out of phase with 8 mics would be complicated.
    You could also split them in 2 groupe of 4.
    I once did a group shout with only 2 headphones and 10 persons in the room. those with headphones counted the measures and it worked ok
     
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    details. need data please. how big is the room? is it a treated room? what is the accompaniment if any? what mics will you be using?
     
  6. paulears

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    Maybe they don't all need them - just the key voices to set pitch then the other sing to that. Behringer make a headphone amp with multiple outs if you need more.

    Unless they are all close miked, I'd give up on any kind of loudspeaker monitoring.
     
  7. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

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    Remy's trick for recording a group and monitoring with a speaker:

    Get all your levels, placement etc. sorted and do the session without changing anything, then with the group out of the way record just the bleed of the speaker in to the mic. Invert the polarity of that track and mix it in to cancel out the bleed.
     
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    Have you ever tried this?
     
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  9. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

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    I've used all the elements but not in this exact configuration. It's a null test, and the thing that doesn't null is the source. It's not that different from the Grateful Dead B&K mics used with the wall of sound. But that was two mics and differential drive circuitry to allow real time use.

    If the speaker is in the mic's null to begin with, and the room is dead enough, it's mostly the lower frequencies (where the mic goes omni) that you have to cancel out. Higher frequencies are taken care of by the mic's polar response. That makes it more tolerant of small changes in positioning. Since lower frequencies have longer wavelengths you would have to move something a greater distance to go substantially out of phase.
     
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