Compressing everything?

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by nandoph8, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. nandoph8

    nandoph8 Active Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    Is that how you get that fake-sampled-drums like The Used and stuff like that? I get confused because I listen to Korn and Slipknot's frist CDs and they sound like that but I know that everything was done analog and I am sure there wasn't compression on everything. I was at indigo ranch cople of years ago picking richard kaplan's brain but he seemed to be more towards the clean analog sound. So I am wondering what I should try when I get bands that tell me they want to sound like deftones and the used. I got 1176's and LA2A'a in my UDA card and I record everything analog. Then I dump to digital to edit and then bring it back out to my console to mix analog. Should I try compressing everything? gating? There is a guy around here, dustbro. I'd like to pick your brain!
  2. boheme6

    boheme6 Guest

    A. yes, there probably is compression on everything on the albums you mentioned.

    B. double drums with samples using drumagog, sound replacer, etc.

    Most of the heavier bands these days have samples beefing up their drum sounds. Cheating? maybe. but still, that's how they're doing it.

    Do a search on the forum for this - you'll find lots of good info.
  3. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    Drum hit replacement and supplementation is very common. I use an Alesis D4 to do this .. A lot of those sounds are compressed when sampled.

    If they are recording to analog, depending on tape formulations, speed and calibration of the machine and how hard the engineer "hits the tape", the audio can undergo "tape compression" when being recorded. Tape compression is unlike compression from an outboard or plug ... it just has a different sound.. that cannot be achieved any other way than using analog tape ... and this is why many producers record to 2" and then transfer to DAW..

    Indigo Ranch has an extensive rack of very nice outboard gear ... a great collection of mics (I assume) and coming into play is the console and pres ... That looks like a Neve console there ... it's hard to tell from the picture but it's all I could find. Indigo Ranch does not have a web site.

    The UA card stuff is nice .. works well for what it is and when you consider the cost it's hard to bitch about it ... but these plugs do not sound exactly like the real thing, so don't expect that from it ...

    If you get a rack of Neves and LA2a's, 1176's etc. you may be able to get close to the sound. A lot of it is the producer as well ... there's a lot of stuff I've read about how Ross can really incite his talent to the best performances.

    Last there is a real spiritual vibe at Indigo Ranch, some talk of it being protected by an old Indian "spell" and also of it being haunted ..

    Regardless of if this is real or not, I am sure it contributes to the whole feeling and vibe of projects recorded there.
  4. nandoph8

    nandoph8 Active Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    That would be indigo alright. But the console is a custom made jensen console, by jensen. I try to hit tape as much as I can. I like the red lights going off. Schools teach not to go over 3dbs. I think that is crap.
  5. jdlee23

    jdlee23 Guest

    What school taught you that?
  6. djui5

    djui5 Guest

    It depends on what your recording........sometimes killing the meters is a good thing...sometimes it's not......

    Schools teach students responsibly....

    If the explained that by killing the meters on the tape machine or the stereo bus of an SSL 4K that you could get this really cool sound, and said student blew up a tape machine or console doing this, the school could be sue'd for mis-leading said student...
  7. nandoph8

    nandoph8 Active Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    I'm guessing you work at the school up in tempe. Which is the school I am talking about
  8. Jdblu

    Jdblu Guest

    Hello nandoph8,
    The guy who does all those records ( The Used , Mest, Story of the Year, ect ) is John Feldman. I believe there is an interview with him on the digidesign website. It's under the Diskcussions section and will tell you alot about his process. He uses no analog tape at all. But does soundreplace ( of course ). It's a good read if your curious about thoses techniques. Hope this helps....James.
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