Covering Phoenix's "1901"

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by mushic, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. mushic

    mushic Active Member

    May 22, 2011
    Hey guys, I'm fairly new on mixing and I've been trying to emulate the sound of Phoenix's "1901." Here's what I have so far.
    My cover:
    Cover ver1 by thetracker on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
    and here's the original for reference.
    Original Phoenix by thetracker on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
    I have struggled to improve on problems like making the snare cut through and also the drum doesn't "pump" the track. On the other hand, the original's drum sound bigger, guitar warmer, and just better in every aspect. So, if anyone can provide me with any tip on improvement, especially on those problems I've just mentioned, I am willing to try. Thanks!
  2. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    Hey cool. Not bad for a first try. You don't think that mixing is as easy as you thought it was eh? (That almost made me sound Canadian eh?) Well enough of that. You really have to play with that compressor to get the bass drum to pump like that. This comes in adjusting attack and release times and selecting a ratio that works. When you get the release times just right, you'll get it pumpin'. The guitars are thicker because more compression was utilized on them, different EQ, different recording techniques. You might want to try some re-amp tricks on the guitar tracks? Then go ahead, stick a limiter on those guitars too. Maybe they were using ribbon microphones on the original Phoenix guitar tracks? That's what it sounds like to me and Royer's have become very popular in that application. Those don't sound like your grandma's SM57's. But you might consider a Cascade's since those are quite affordable? I know everyone is taught in recording schools to make that kind of bass drum sound because that's the most exciting. But it sounds like you're not all pumped up with nowhere to mix? You're almost there. I could say practice practice practice or, refinement refinement refinement. And sometimes the use of fast downward expansion a.k.a. Gates can augment that pumping effect, in combination with the compression. This can all be accomplished in both hardware and software. And crunching an entire two track mix is sometimes required if your mix didn't sound this way when you mixed it. So that can become part of the mastering step if it doesn't come off your two track bus this way to begin with. And if you can make it do that in the mastering process. So some of this takes multiple engineers with a multitude of techniques. Again equalization also plays in as a factor during your mixing. You are using software equalization and maybe you are listening to a Neve ferrite core inductor equalizer? Ain't goin' sound the same, guarantee told Ya.

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  3. mushic

    mushic Active Member

    May 22, 2011
    Thanks a lot man! I've tried to mix more in the last few days and here's what i got.
    1901 master 1
    I like this mix better now because the bottom pumps more, but the problem has shifted to the guitars' presence and the snare which I can't get it to cut through without it sounding too high-pithced. I can hear a clean, strong, spacious snare transient in the original mix but nowhere in mine.

    Besides the negatives, I've started to explore on how to use gates effectively and the other hardware equipments, thanks a lot!
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