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  1. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

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    The health care workers do indeed deserve all the gratitude and support we can give them, now and in the months ahead.
    FYI: Pennsylvania has recorded an additional 4494 news cases just since my last post 3 days ago on Apr. 2nd, for a total of 11510.
    That's 11510 in a month since the first 2 cases were reported on Mar. 6th, in a state that's taken relatively aggressive action.

    I'd be in favor of a hard lock-down coast to coast for 10-15 days, if it would prevent 10-15 months of this present situation (exponential spread and economic meltdown). The virus can only survive on hard surfaces (plastic, stainless-steel, etc.) for 2-3 days. Incubation time averages 5-6 days before an infected person shows symptoms, but some people don't show symptoms until Day #13. It would take political will and real leadership with everyone rallied behind a united purpose. So in other words, we're screwed here where everything is hyper-politicized.

    The only purpose politics serve is to divide people into 'them' and 'us', and the media plays their part because it's good for their bottom line. I have no party affiliation. Historically, I have disliked and distrusted both major parties pretty equally - although I will admit the scales are tilted against some more than others right now. Now more than ever, I'd rather read the news than watch it on TV.

    I think we always have a responsibility to question the source and to educate ourselves. If some political party or news network is all that a person draws their identity from, they might as well be lemmings. It's human nature to spin a story to serve one's own self-interest. If we're being honest, we ALL do that. But if all you ever hear is one side of the story, told over and over again, with everyone embellishing it along the way, you end up in a f#'ed up feedback loop. Anyone unfamiliar with the concept of "groupthink" should at least do a quick study, because it's also human nature to want to fit into the tribe and not rock the boat. Unfortunately, without anyone to challenge the group norms and ask the difficult questions, you end up with the mass dumbing down of society and the aforementioned feedback loop that polarizes people. It applies to politics, the media, sports, religion - all of those topics that make people completely lose any objectivity. Then when what a person sees with their own eyes doesn't match what they've latched onto as their belief system... Boom. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, and they (often subconsciously) have to talk themselves into some roundabout explanation, or wild conspiracy theory, rather than accept the obvious in plain sight.

    Anyway... I would encourage anyone who cares to get their news from Reuters or the AP.
    The only people who appear regularly on your TV that have a clue are Drs. Birx and Fauci.

    Don't settle for soundbites, get the facts about Covid-19 below. There will be some reading required, but what else do you have going on right now that's more important?
    If you like your information slow-cooked and Joe's more your style:
    • Joe Rogan's podcast talks to a real expert from CIDRAP. It's long, but not boring and they also hit on Lyme Disease and Chronic Wasting Disease in the deer population.
    Otherwise, you'll have people sharing half-truths - like comparing Covid-19 to Ebola. Of course, it's absolutely true that Ebola "was a nasty virus", and it had a MUCH higher morality rate (actually closer to 40%). The most recent outbreak (2014-2016) by best estimates was contained to 28,637 cases, which resulted in 11315 deaths (the WHO admitting both numbers were probably under-reported in that part of Africa). It can only be spread by very close, direct contact with open wounds and bodily fluids. As terrible as the 2014 Ebola outbreak was, mitigation is pretty straightforward (protective gloves, masks, and clothing & don't touch patient's blood, feces, and vomit), and it still took almost 2 years to stop it.

    That's nothing at all like Covid-19 which can hang in the air for 3 hours and survive on surfaces for up to 3 days. With the Covid virus (assuming your home is a safe haven) you can walk to work through empty streets, open the door to your office building, press the elevator button, get into an empty elevator, press the button for your floor, and open the door to your office without ever encountering another human. During that time you will have had 6 or more points of exposure to a virus that was left behind 3 hours to 3 days prior. You can minimize your risk from the doorknobs and elevator buttons by disinfecting them and/or simply washing your hands thoroughly - easy. The airbourne component in that scenario (particularly indoor) is a lot more difficult to combat.

    FWIW. The medical info on Covid-19 and Ebola is from the WHO. The cynical politcal opinion is all mine, but I'm sure not at all unique.

    Everyone, please take care of yourselves. If you can, please stay home. and don't put too much confidence in DIY facemasks.
     
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  2. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    One thing people seem to forget is spread. They will wear gloves for a "dirty job" but ignore the fact that they touched the lid of the trash can, before removing the gloves.

    Or they will regard something inside a container, like a storage tote as "safe", ignoring the fact that you have to clean the tote first, or your spreading contamination from the containers outside, to its contents.
     
  3. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

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    We need widespread testing ASAP. Everything else is a half measure. With testing we can spot outbreaks and trace back then isolate the people that actually have it instead of everyone on the planet. With antibody testing we can identify those who might have resistance. Without testing we're flailing around in the dark.
     
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  4. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Well-Known Member

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    People wearing gloves are the most dangerous spreaders.. They get over confident and touch too many things.

    Sorry, I'm a bit late to this thread.
    My story,?I'm still working. Bad side of being the computer guy.
    The company I work for put everyone on a shared time program, execept a few ones including me.
    They work from home 16hours and get 24 hours payed by the Employment Insurance benefits program, doing nothing.
    But I work 40 hours, onsite at the customer's place. So to put myself and my family at risk, they gave me a temporary raise of 2$ and hour... :sick:
    Good thing the customer I'm doing jobs for have some dispositions to lower the risk of contamination. Althought not perfect, I'm still without symptome... :)
    At least, I'm not worrying about paying my depts and services accounts.

    About the whole situation, what amaze me is the low level of comprehensive and fake free information. We live in a mondial connected media world but nobody can affirme knowing the whole truth about the situation.
    Even the doctors and lab specialists can't agree on how long the virus can survive in various surfaces. Come on.. That should be well stated by now.

    I'm with Chris and don't want to accept the conspiration theories, who made it and why etc... I want to look foward and get out of the situation and think the nature is creative enough to have done it by itself.
    With all the sanitisation and antibacterial products we use, it's proven that microbes are getting stronger and evolves by generation. (Well it seems that I have a theory after all ;) )

    On the bright note, I received my RME UFX, I'll be posting about it very soon !

    Let's do our best not to get things worst, that's all we can control anyway !
     
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  5. cyrano

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    We first need reliable tests. The global panic has created opportunities for the unscrupulous. About half the tests the media report about, don't even exist yet. No testing of the test itself, no reliable numbers. That doesn't worry some CEO's. They just hope to reel in a hefty investment from VC speculators.

    Secondly, we need to standardise tests if we don't want to waste data. Our virologists need that data to work with. It's like noise in a recording. You can filter it out, up to a certain degree. And we all know when we deem a recording ruined by noise. It doesn't take a lot.

    Until we have those things, isolation is the main tool.

    Masks, gloves, disinfectant handsprays etc. are maybe just adding a few ppm to the cause, except for those already infected and medical staff. You need to know how to use them. Just from observing people wash their hands, I estimate 70% don't have a clue.

    It's a damned crime that hospitals can no longer buy the simple stuff they, except for over-the-top prices or bad quality. It's not due to global shortage, but to speculators large and small. It also doesn't help if a dumbo president goes outbidding states when the problem at hand is to be handled by state governors.
     
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  6. Smashh

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    I count myself pretty lucky living in Australia or New Zealand where we have a system of government looking out
    for the people in balance with capitalism . I know lots of people view it as socialism , but still it makes perfect sense now.
    Who knows, maybe if I was in the US , I may well be protesting too if there was no help for me.

    I live in a city reliant on tourism , which is shut down except essential workers . Its gonna be a long way back from this
    but people here are together in the mindset of staying home and keeping the elderly and sick safer .

    On the humourous side is the stable genius show every morning on Tv.
    I would have to agree with those who see that maniac in the back room trying to make more money from this situation.

    While we are sitting around waiting this out , surely we could rerun all the tapes with Trumps body language .
    See his response to known lies and then go right back and check when he was lying earlier in the piece .

    On a brighter side , those people who have based their lives around chasing money , can take a deep breathe and
    re evaluate , find themselves . Its easy to get lost when life is so busy . It sneaks up on you slowly .

    I think we are so lucky here being involved in the arts , where we need to see people/ preformances for
    who they are including weakness , vulnerability as well as strength .
    After this I hope and pray for more Common sense in this world.

    Hope you and your families and friends stay safe through this while we look for a vaccine /cure
    All the best Ash
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    Canada is pretty much the same but unfortunately many younger people don’t show the same love for the elderly here. They think it’s a lot of lies. Our media is basically CNN spinoff. Full of exaggeration misinformation narratives to cause drama. I wish all the politics would go away. It’s very distracting and dustructive.
    Our government has been amazing dealing with this. I’ve not worked for almost 2 months now. Looking forward to working again.

    I see socialism rising everywhere. Hope it’s headed in the right direction.
    I suspect once we get this all under control... great opportunities will come. I’m excited for the future of Canada but the bill $ for this is going to be mind blowing.
     
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  8. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

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    They're not really protesting the lack of help, they're protesting having to be responsible members of a society.
     
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    audiokid Chris Staff

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    Exactly
     
  10. Smashh

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    Yes , I guess its the only way to protest effectively . Social media is fouled with false information .
    You'd think in times like these , people get behind the government that was elected by themselves
    and do what they are directed to do
    I mean to say there are many ways to engage this crisis . Everyone must be onboard to the
    method deamed by the gov as a most effective under the circumstances .
     
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    Hooray! Sanity at last - sums up the UK and the US situation well.
     
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  12. Makzimia

    Makzimia The Minstrel Well-Known Member

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    On a positive note, some things are happening which improve humanity. Like, a new appreciation for musicians :). We held a 'live' music concert for HPE UK & I Friday night, link here..



    It cheered a lot of people up and was watched by about 150 company families and friends.

    Tony
     
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  13. Smashh

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    Its fantastic , people are enjoying live music (online ) .
    I believe everyone has a chance to step back for a minute and look at the bigger picture .
    The spirit of humanity lives !!!
    A I is comming real fast . This could be a crossroads to via away from A I .
    The pop garbage ( most of it ) just dosent sound the same anymore ....AMEN !

    I have been getting the advert on youtube where the producer says . You dont need to know chords .
    Just push these buttons randomly and VIOLA . Youve gon e an got yourself a master piece .
    This is the snake oil of modern so called culture . Sparkly giftwrapped BS with little substance and saying NOTHING
    THere is a very good reason why elders opinions are respected in every real culture .

    Ok , back to my red wine haha sorry I ve gone off track guys . Just had to vent .
     
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  14. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    I think this speeds up AI and home based or admin type businesses that don’t require A store front all the time.
    I think we are going to see many new ways to do a lot of business. Good things that hopefully happen are less people on the road during daytime hours.

    I also see this as an opportunity for BS cash grabbing. We’re headed towards a lot of crazy making.
    I’m trying to imagine a world where we are afraid to touch people.

    On that note: I’ve been looking at rural properties for months now. I’d love to get the hell out of the city and get a small hobby farm. It’s on my mind all the time now.
     
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  15. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    The issue is we dont really elect political leaders, they themselves, and the big money that backs them is how they get to office. If they capped the campaign spending and stopped the two party system voters would have more of a true say.

    Famously a George Bush Jr. was elected to office despite losing the popular vote.

    Lol, we elected The Terminator for governor of California, and a reality TV star for president. America is a joke. The only reason we stay afloat in the globe is greed and military force.

    Since we are generally lied to, and extorted, in all other aspects related to government, there's no real reason to have confidence that they suddenly have our best interest in mind for the epidemic. The same people who send 18yr olds to the middle east to fight wars for oil, would undoubtedly let some poor and elderly die in the name of money.

    The owner of Amazon, is worth 80 Billion, yet people live in tents, and children are in homes that can't afford food.

    Think insurance premiums aren't going to go up, with hospitals working overdrive?

    In Capitolist America at least, there is no issue that doesn't boil down to economics.
     
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  16. Smashh

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    Makzima , It was a fun concert . Loved the sausage and supermarket bun song .
    How do bands get to play live like that and negate the lag of internet ?
     
  17. Smashh

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    yeah Kyle , i hear ya . Its frustrating to watch the back and forth of US politics . Not many comprimises for the better of all.

    Hobby farm with a nice Studio Chris . It sounds like a beautiful dream !
     
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  18. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    I think AI will be generally good for people. My fear is about the government taking even more control. The US passed a law allowing the gov to spy on all our phone calls legally, which was sold as a counter terrorist measure, but 15+ years later, long after the war is over, they haven't repealed the law.

    Its not like we "give" them more power, they are able to just take it. I just fear they will take more and more. Suddenly they'll be age restrictions for public places or a new tax for using your car a certain amount, or a tax on buisness meetings that are held in person.

    One thing Zoom proved is online meeting methods can have serious security flaws.

    Maybe its a good thing and hackers will make public some of the corrupt back door deals that occur typically on a golf course or private office.

    I hope you find a good spot Chris, it would be better for people who are financially troubled to sell their property, than get foreclosed on.
     
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  19. Makzimia

    Makzimia The Minstrel Well-Known Member

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    Ash,
    In the end it was all prerecorded and synced with audio to video.

    We used a combination of zoom and OBS to transmit. OBS allowed good audio, compared to comm program audio.

    Tony
     
  20. Smashh

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    So one person plays first and then another adds and then the third person plays with the other 2 , Is that right Tony :)
     
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